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Re: Understanding the levels of vajrayana
« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2019, 11:29:34 am »
I've removed off-topic noise and reopened the thread.

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Re: Understanding the levels of vajrayana
« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2019, 03:56:20 am »
Hi Chaz. Your posts got me interested in the Ngondro practices you mention. Is this the reason you say that the practice is important to you, that you need to actually get these done in real life rather than just receiving teachings?
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Re: Understanding the levels of vajrayana
« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2019, 06:23:45 am »
I've been told that within vajrayana buddhism there are certain levels/tiers of enlightenment, what are they referring to? Is this something that you could understand and study on your own?

I suggest you try reading "Path to Buddhahood - Teachings on Gampopa's Jewel Ornament of Liberation" by Ringu Tulku.

https://bodhicharya.org/product/path-to-buddhahood-teachings-on-gampopas-jewel-ornament-of-liberation/


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Re: Understanding the levels of vajrayana
« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2019, 08:31:58 am »
Hi Chaz. Your posts got me interested in the Ngondro practices you mention. Is this the reason you say that the practice is important to you, that you need to actually get these done in real life rather than just receiving teachings?

Oh yes, the practice must be completed.  Ngondro is a preliminary practice that someone practicing in the Kagyu, Nyingma and other lineages must complete before starting Vajrayana practice.  They are restricted practices. IOW, you must have your Guru's permission before beginning Ngondro.  There are specific liturgies used and you can't obtain a set without the permission of the Guru.  There isn't much in the way of teaching involved.  You receive the empowerment, obtain the liturgy and some practice tools and begin.  In my lineage I have a practice mentor who answers questions, and addresses concerns.

It can take a long time to complete.  Ngondro is comprised of 4 practices and there must be 100,000 repetitions of each. My mentor needed 15 years to complete Ngondro.  A good friend took 5.  You really need commitment.

Moving on from Ngondro has nothing to do with teaching.  It's about practice.  Period.  That's not to say there's something wrong with teachings, but it's been my experience the importance of practice is much greater.   The Buddha achieved Buddhahood through practice

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Re: Understanding the levels of vajrayana
« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2019, 08:55:33 am »
I've been told that within vajrayana buddhism there are certain levels/tiers of enlightenment, what are they referring to? Is this something that you could understand and study on your own?

I suggest you try reading "Path to Buddhahood - Teachings on Gampopa's Jewel Ornament of Liberation" by Ringu Tulku.

https://bodhicharya.org/product/path-to-buddhahood-teachings-on-gampopas-jewel-ornament-of-liberation/


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I'll second that recommendation.

In fact, if Rinpoche is ever teaching anywhere near you, it would be well worth your time to go.

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Re: Understanding the levels of vajrayana
« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2019, 03:33:56 am »
It sounds very interesting. I'll look into it thanks.
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