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"HARD" questions about Buddhism
« on: June 19, 2013, 03:02:18 pm »
Hello to all,

I'm doing a comparative study of eastern religions
and have some hardcore questions for Buddhists here on this forum...

I've read quite a bit on Buddhism, familiar with the basics
however what eludes me is the complete concept, so the questions to clarify my mind:

according to Buddhism:
1. What is the world that we inhabit ? 
2. Who/what made it  and how it was made ?
3. What is the purpose of the world ?
4. How did the world start and how is it going to end ?
5. What is the i-vehicle that carries individual consciousness in this
world: soul,  self, not self, empty mind, puremind, mindstream, which one ???
6. What is the starting point for this I-vehicle and what is the
ending point of it ?
7. It starts as low level consciousness and ends up as highest ?
8. Or it's already at the highest level but needs to free itself from the world ?
9. If I is already perfect and free, why entanglement with the world
and why all the work trying to get free again ?
10. Is Buddha unique or are we all Buddhas already ?

I would appreciate your answers, pointers, explanations...

Thank you in advance !

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Re: "HARD" questions about Buddhism
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2013, 03:27:08 pm »
I would like to follow this thread it seems like an interesting topic. But i will remain on the sidelines as I am new
Thanks.

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Re: "HARD" questions about Buddhism
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2013, 05:32:39 pm »
Buddhist cosmology is based around Mount Meru as the centre of the world. It is based on ancient Hindu 'knowledge' and is complete ignorant ga-ga.


9. If I is already perfect and free, why entanglement with the world
and why all the work trying to get free again ?
10. Is Buddha unique or are we all Buddhas already ?

Our internal veiled/hidden/unrealised/innate
Buddha Nature/Clear mind/Awake Nature
is perfect

We are 'blinded'/bedazzled/'sensory entangled' by the worlds snares
'all the work' is required to rest or abide in our natural innate Perfection.

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Re: "HARD" questions about Buddhism
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2013, 09:17:33 pm »
Hello to all,

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I'm doing a comparative study of eastern religions
and have some hardcore questions for Buddhists here on this forum...

Interesting questions and you should get many views..
I firmly beleive in what following replies I give

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1. What is the world that we inhabit ? 
2. Who/what made it  and how it was made ?

Emptiness is the start of this world. And Awareness the counterpart of
Emptiness has kept track of this evolving world.

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3. What is the purpose of the world ?

The purpose is to create WISDOMS (BUDDHAS) which makes this world beautiful,
peaceful, wonderful etc.

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4. How did the world start and how is it going to end ?

The world started as ignorant Emptiness and will end in Wisdom of Buddhas

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5. What is the i-vehicle that carries individual consciousness in this
world: soul,  self, not self, empty mind, puremind, mindstream, which one ???

Not self/ self alternately.

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6. What is the starting point for this I-vehicle and what is the
ending point of it ?

Ignorance is the start and Wisdom is the end.

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7. It starts as low level consciousness and ends up as highest ?

It starts at the highest and ends at the highest.

quote]8. Or it's already at the highest level but needs to free itself from the world ?

yes

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9. If I is already perfect and free, why entanglement with the world
and why all the work trying to get free again ?

It is not free and needs evolvement.

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10. Is Buddha unique or are we all Buddhas already ?

We are Buddha raw material

I would appreciate your answers, pointers, explanations...

Thank you in advance !
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Re: "HARD" questions about Buddhism
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2013, 11:27:55 pm »
I have come to believe that one may follow whatever religion or path
all will end in Buddha (WISDOM)

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Re: "HARD" questions about Buddhism
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2013, 08:32:36 am »
Hello to all,

I'm doing a comparative study of eastern religions
and have some hardcore questions for Buddhists here on this forum...

I've read quite a bit on Buddhism, familiar with the basics
however what eludes me is the complete concept, so the questions to clarify my mind:

according to Buddhism:
1. What is the world that we inhabit ? 
2. Who/what made it  and how it was made ?
3. What is the purpose of the world ?
4. How did the world start and how is it going to end ?
5. What is the i-vehicle that carries individual consciousness in this
world: soul,  self, not self, empty mind, puremind, mindstream, which one ???
6. What is the starting point for this I-vehicle and what is the
ending point of it ?
7. It starts as low level consciousness and ends up as highest ?
8. Or it's already at the highest level but needs to free itself from the world ?
9. If I is already perfect and free, why entanglement with the world
and why all the work trying to get free again ?
10. Is Buddha unique or are we all Buddhas already ?

I would appreciate your answers, pointers, explanations...

Thank you in advance !

Acquiring the "complete concept" sans awakening is going to always end up being a road to nowhere. On that note, such questions are not relevant to awakening. The awakening itself is the alpha and omega of Buddhism. The Buddha, by various means, is always pointing us in the direction of awakening.

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Re: "HARD" questions about Buddhism
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2013, 11:16:59 am »
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« Last Edit: June 20, 2013, 11:20:16 am by former monk john »
to me, the signs of a successful practice are happiness and a cessation of suffering, buddhism often gives me this; not all the answers.

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Re: "HARD" questions about Buddhism
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2013, 12:03:58 pm »
Hello to all,

I'm doing a comparative study of eastern religions
and have some hardcore questions for Buddhists here on this forum...

I've read quite a bit on Buddhism, familiar with the basics
however what eludes me is the complete concept, so the questions to clarify my mind:

according to Buddhism:
1. What is the world that we inhabit ? 
2. Who/what made it  and how it was made ?
3. What is the purpose of the world ?
4. How did the world start and how is it going to end ?
5. What is the i-vehicle that carries individual consciousness in this
world: soul,  self, not self, empty mind, puremind, mindstream, which one ???
6. What is the starting point for this I-vehicle and what is the
ending point of it ?
7. It starts as low level consciousness and ends up as highest ?
8. Or it's already at the highest level but needs to free itself from the world ?
9. If I is already perfect and free, why entanglement with the world
and why all the work trying to get free again ?
10. Is Buddha unique or are we all Buddhas already ?

I would appreciate your answers, pointers, explanations...

Thank you in advance !

(1) Saha
(2)read Digha Nikaya Agganna sutta(on knowledge of beginnings) the world wasn't made it came about through causes and conditions
(3)what is the purpose for the rock under your shoe?
(4) there is no beginning and no end,time is an infinite contineum (look up beginingless time in Buddhism)
-5 -4 -3 -2 -1 0 1 2 3 4 5 as you can see time goes foward and backwards infinitely 0 is only the place you chose to start from,with that said the world came from a previous infinite cause and condition when it breaks apart at the end of the world ending kalpa its materials will be used in the baby batter of the universe and through causes and conditions will bring forth new formations,wheter its apart of an astroid or makes up a new world thats based on the cause and effect.
(5)everything is held in the ālayavijñāna(Tathagatagarbha),the worldy conciousness itself based on causes and conditions is transformed through the 5 aggregates,the True self however is not to be "found" in the 5 aggregates
(6) no beginning no end.
(7)no the false self which is based on the 5 aggregates will always be a lower "consciousness" for it is based on causes and conditions,being conditioned it is based on the 12 links of dependent origination which in itself is produced from Ignorance(3 poisons)
,the Highest "consciousness" has always been pure and unconditioned. when we recongnise that the True self is not my 5 aggregates and purify the defilements that obscure the Buddha nature(Dharmakaya that is undercover of defilements)we end our flase self and what is left is the True self(BUDDHA WISDOM)
(8)yes its already purified,it is only obscured by the defilements,the defilements happen to be "US"(worldy self based on the 5 aggregates)
(9) That is actually the hardest question to answer (read the Queen Srimala sutra)
essentially "suchness" is in everything,but not everything is suchness. much like the milk is in the cup but the cup is not the milk.
Enlightenment is in everything but the everything must be removed to reveal what is the only thing left Enlightenment.
(10)well "we" are not Buddha's but yes Enlightenment is already Enlightenment(its never anything other than itself) and it is very unique.

(this discription would be based on Yogacara/Shentong/Hongaku views)
there are other schools and difference in views also so........

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Re: "HARD" questions about Buddhism
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2013, 12:07:39 pm »
Thanks for having the patience and knowledge to answer these difficult questions, namu, it over my head!!
to me, the signs of a successful practice are happiness and a cessation of suffering, buddhism often gives me this; not all the answers.

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Re: "HARD" questions about Buddhism
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2013, 01:25:24 am »
Thanks for having the patience and knowledge to answer these difficult questions, namu, it over my head!!

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Bravo. If more of us learned to speak like this, we could all listen to rather than expound dharma . . .
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Re: "HARD" questions about Buddhism
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2013, 05:02:06 am »
Hello to all,

I'm doing a comparative study of eastern religions
and have some hardcore questions for Buddhists here on this forum...

I've read quite a bit on Buddhism, familiar with the basics
however what eludes me is the complete concept, so the questions to clarify my mind:

according to Buddhism:
1. What is the world that we inhabit ? 
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"Monks, I will teach you the All[world]. Listen & pay close attention. I will speak."

"As you say, lord," the monks responded.

The Blessed One said, "What is the All? Simply the eye & forms, ear & sounds, nose & aromas, tongue & flavors, body & tactile sensations, intellect & ideas. This, monks, is called the All. [1] Anyone who would say, 'Repudiating this All, I will describe another,' if questioned on what exactly might be the grounds for his statement, would be unable to explain, and furthermore, would be put to grief. Why? Because it lies beyond range."

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn35/sn35.023.than.html


2. Who/what made it  and how it was made ?

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"From an inconstruable beginning comes transmigration. A beginning point is not evident, though beings hindered by ignorance and fettered by craving are transmigrating & wandering on. What do you think, monks: Which is greater, the tears you have shed while transmigrating & wandering this long, long time — crying & weeping from being joined with what is displeasing, being separated from what is pleasing — or the water in the four great oceans?"

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn15/sn15.003.than.html


3. What is the purpose of the world ?
A selfish, selfmade:
To be born, get sick, old and die... see 1. Noble truth


4. How did the world start and how is it going to end ?

world start: See 2. Noble truth
world end: See 3.Noble truth



5. What is the i-vehicle that carries individual consciousness in this
world: soul,  self, not self, empty mind, puremind, mindstream, which one ???

Ignoranze

6. What is the starting point for this I-vehicle and what is the
ending point of it ?

Starting point: Ignorance/not knowing Endpoint: knowing

7. It starts as low level consciousness and ends up as highest ?

That is how the world turns (samsara) around. And back again.

8. Or it's already at the highest level but needs to free itself from the world ?

You can anwser this already alone.

9. If I is already perfect and free, why entanglement with the world
and why all the work trying to get free again ?

Because you did not attain the wisdom or did not came in contact of the good teachings.

10. Is Buddha unique or are we all Buddhas already ?

If you are already, why are you here? And what purpose would have someone who teaches?

I would appreciate your answers, pointers, explanations...

Thank you in advance !


There is also a way out. Its called the 4. Noble truth

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Re: "HARD" questions about Buddhism
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2014, 08:45:35 am »
Hello to all,

I'm doing a comparative study of eastern religions
and have some hardcore questions for Buddhists here on this forum...

I've read quite a bit on Buddhism, familiar with the basics
however what eludes me is the complete concept, so the questions to clarify my mind:

according to Buddhism:
1. What is the world that we inhabit ? 
2. Who/what made it  and how it was made ?
3. What is the purpose of the world ?
4. How did the world start and how is it going to end ?
5. What is the i-vehicle that carries individual consciousness in this
world: soul,  self, not self, empty mind, puremind, mindstream, which one ???
6. What is the starting point for this I-vehicle and what is the
ending point of it ?
7. It starts as low level consciousness and ends up as highest ?
8. Or it's already at the highest level but needs to free itself from the world ?
9. If I is already perfect and free, why entanglement with the world
and why all the work trying to get free again ?
10. Is Buddha unique or are we all Buddhas already ?

I would appreciate your answers, pointers, explanations...

Thank you in advance !

There is 1 discourse in particular, I would recommend with these questions and that is Long Discourse #27, Ancient Discourse. There is a lot that has to do with the expanding and contracting of the universe. The discourse may be found in the Long Discourses of the Buddha collection which has been very helpful in general. This book is published by Wisdom.

The highest level is Arahant. When one attains Arahantship he will not be reborn in the world.

Here with the abandoning of 3 fetters one has become a Stream Winner, no more subject to rebirth in hell, no more subject to rebirth as an animal, no more subject to rebirth as a peta ghost, fixed in destiny with enlightenment as destination. With the abandoning of 3 fetters and the weakening of lust, hatred, and delusion one has become a Once-Returner and having returned once more to this world will make an end of suffering. With the complete abandoning of the 5 lower fetter one has become due to be spontaneously reborn and shall there attain Nibbana without ever returning from that world. By realizing for himself with direct knowledge one enters upon and abides in the deliverance of mind and deliverance of wisdom that is taintless with the exhaustion of the taints.

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Re: "HARD" questions about Buddhism
« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2014, 01:07:25 pm »
Hello to all,

I'm doing a comparative study of eastern religions
and have some hardcore questions for Buddhists here on this forum...

I've read quite a bit on Buddhism, familiar with the basics
however what eludes me is the complete concept, so the questions to clarify my mind:

according to Buddhism:
1. What is the world that we inhabit ? 
2. Who/what made it  and how it was made ?
3. What is the purpose of the world ?
4. How did the world start and how is it going to end ?
5. What is the i-vehicle that carries individual consciousness in this
world: soul,  self, not self, empty mind, puremind, mindstream, which one ???
6. What is the starting point for this I-vehicle and what is the
ending point of it ?
7. It starts as low level consciousness and ends up as highest ?
8. Or it's already at the highest level but needs to free itself from the world ?
9. If I is already perfect and free, why entanglement with the world
and why all the work trying to get free again ?
10. Is Buddha unique or are we all Buddhas already ?

I would appreciate your answers, pointers, explanations...

Thank you in advance !

Hi, Seeker.

Buddha probably would not respond to most of your questions.  He would address them as "not relevant" to his teachings.  You may read the following sutta to see what I mean:

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SN 56.31 PTS: S v 437 CDB ii 1857
Simsapa Sutta: The Simsapa Leaves
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Alternate translation: Thanissaro
The Pali title of this sutta is based on the PTS (Feer) edition.
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At one time the Blessed One was staying at Kosambii in Si.msapaa Grove.[1] Then the Blessed One, taking a few Si.msapaa leaves in his hand, said to the monks: "What do you think, monks? Which are the more numerous, the few leaves I have here in my hand, or those up in the trees of the grove?"

"Lord, the Blessed One is holding only a few leaves: those up in the trees are far more numerous."

"In the same way, monks, there are many more things that I have found out, but not revealed to you.[2] What I have revealed to you is only a little. And why, monks, have I not revealed it?

"Because, monks, it is not related to the goal, it is not fundamental to the holy life, does not conduce to disenchantment, dispassion, cessation, tranquillity, higher knowledge, enlightenment or Nibbaana. That is why I have not revealed it. And what, monks, have I revealed?

"What I have revealed is: 'This is Suffering, this is the Arising of Suffering, this is the Cessation of Suffering, and this is the Path that leads to the Cessation of Suffering.' And why, monks, have I revealed it?

"Because this is related to the goal, fundamental to the holy life, conduces to disenchantment, dispassion, cessation, tranquillity, higher knowledge, enlightenment and Nibbaana, therefore I have revealed it.

"Therefore, monks, your task is to learn: 'This is Suffering, this is the Arising of Suffering, this is the Cessation of Suffering, this is the Path that leads to the Cessation of Suffering.' That is your task."
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Re: "HARD" questions about Buddhism
« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2014, 09:47:13 am »
I've read quite a bit on Buddhism, familiar with the basics
however what eludes me is the complete concept, so the questions to clarify my mind:

Buddhism is not a religion. And certainly not a revealed one.

As a (non-revealed) philosophy, it comes from the flow that started from the metaphysical speculations of the Upanishads; went throught the rationalization (systematization & categorization) of the former in Samkhya (considered to be by many pundits "the" philosopphy of India - from which many schools (among which Buddhism) sprouted.)

As a philosophy, Buddhism needs to be viewed as the continuation, amelioration and perfection of Samkhya (yet staying in the general system of Indian philosophy).

Please read the links (in order) in this page bit.ly/XLRFng  to give you an idea of the path that lead to Buddhism; and, as a result,  all the answers to your questions.
Categories and terms will then become clear and well defined.


Note: Samkhya is considered as the "rationalists of the fortuitous origination of the Brahmajāla Sutta (where Buddha describes the sixty-two philosophical and speculative views concerning the self and the world that were prevalent among spiritual seekers of his day.)






 


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