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"Pet shop" and "Right livelihood"
« on: June 06, 2012, 01:57:28 am »
selling and buying animal being are still catogories Right livelihood? example Pet shop?

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Re: "Pet shop" and "Right livelihood"
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2012, 02:45:36 am »
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"A lay follower should not engage in five types of business. Which five? Business in weapons, business in human beings, business in meat, business in intoxicants, and business in poison."

— AN 5.177

I guess such perversions like business with pets havnt been that extreme like today, but I guess it does not need much explaining why such business is mostly not very wholesome.

For a Brahman or contemplative, he would even not accept them as a gift.

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Re: "Pet shop" and "Right livelihood"
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2012, 04:38:44 am »
well i muat suprised in the past

 "A lay follower should not
engage in five types of
business. Which five?
Business in weapons,
business in living beings ,
business in meat, business in
intoxicants, and business in
poison."
— AN 5.177

i been told be like that, but seen this sutta from acess to insight there no wrong isn't it.

if you google it, there web and address  told trade of living beings ( human and animal beings) are not right livelihood.

it's question the source and why the teaching  changing?

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Re: "Pet shop" and "Right livelihood"
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2012, 10:02:05 pm »
Attachments are big as well as the desire to but Dhamma into or common habits rather to use Dhamma to change our common habits for the welfare of all.

Just look carefully if the teacher leads a real honest livelihood or if he limited by his ways.

There are many fools:

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73. The fool seeks undeserved reputation, precedence among monks, authority over monasteries, and honor among householders.

74. "Let both laymen and monks think that it was done by me. In every work, great and small, let them follow me" — such is the ambition of the fool; thus his desire and pride increase.

75. One is the quest for worldly gain, and quite another is the path to Nibbana. Clearly understanding this, let not the monk, the disciple of the Buddha, be carried away by worldly acclaim, but develop detachment instead.

And you can also honestly dig in your own heart, you will find the right answers as well. If honestly and without compromise. *smile* There is no real truth be found in words.

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Re: "Pet shop" and "Right livelihood"
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2012, 11:33:23 pm »
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"A lay follower should not engage in five types of business. Which five? Business in weapons, business in human beings, business in meat, business in intoxicants, and business in poison."

— AN 5.177

I guess such perversions like business with pets havnt been that extreme like today, but I guess it does not need much explaining why such business is mostly not very wholesome.

For a Brahman or contemplative, he would even not accept them as a gift.

question and request the source of the angutara nikaya ( AN 5.177) you use it?
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Re: "Pet shop" and "Right livelihood"
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2012, 03:47:23 am »
No need to sift Dhamma.
Suffering of other beings is involved. It's a "no brainer".

with Metta

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« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2012, 06:01:52 am »
Actually that is what Dhamma is about. Simple and honest, if a question dig into your heart. No chance to miss the right answer.

If one makes a question to defend something, that it is sometimes not the proper time to get clearness. *smile*

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Re: "Pet shop" and "Right livelihood"
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2012, 06:07:30 am »
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Anguttara Nikaya V.177
Vanijja Sutta
Business (Wrong Livelihood)
Translated from the Pali by
Thanissaro Bhikkhu.
For free distribution only.
"Monks, a lay follower should
not
engage in five types of
business.
Which five? Business in
weapons,
business in livingr beings ,
business in
meat, business in intoxicants,
and
business in poison.
"These are the five types of
business
that a lay follower should not
engage
in."
Revised: Saturday 2005.01.29



 http://nt.med.ncku.edu.tw/biochem/lsn/AccessToInsight/html/canon/sutta/anguttara/an05-177.html


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"Monks, a lay follower should not
engage in five types of business.
Which five? Business in weapons,
business in human beings, business
in meat, business in intoxicants, and
business in poison.
"These are the five types of business
that a lay follower should not engage
in."
 How to cite this document (one
suggested style): "Vanijja Sutta:
Business (Wrong Livelihood)" (AN
5.177), translated from the Pali by
Thanissaro Bhikkhu. Access to
Insight , 3 July 2010


 http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an05/an05.177.than.html

first from thanassiro Bhikku in 2005, other the new interpertion fromm 2010.

shoking isn't like thunder strike
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Re: "Pet shop" and "Right livelihood"
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2012, 06:21:03 am »
That was why I was wondering (confused to see human being)... thanks for sharing! *smile* Heart is good and save.

Pañcimā bhikkhave, vaṇijjā upāsakena akaraṇīyā. Katamā pañca:
 
Satthavaṇijjā, sattavaṇijjā, maṃsavaṇijjā, majjavaṇijjā, visavaṇijjā.
 
Imā kho bhikkhave, pañca vaṇijjā upāsakena akaraṇīyāti.

Sattha => Sattha1 (nt.) [cp. Vedic śastra, fr. śas to cut] a weapon, sword, knife; coll. "arms"; -- vaṇijjā trade in arms
Satta => Satta2 [cp, Vedic sattva living being, satvan "strong man, warrior," fr. sant] 1. (m.) a living being, creature, a sentient & rational being, a person
maṃsa => Maŋsa (nt.) [cp. Vedic māŋsa, fr. Idg. *memsro -- , as in Gr. mhro/s thigh, Lat. membrum limb ("member"); Goth. mims flesh; Oir mīr bite, bit (of flesh)] flesh, meat

translation taken from The Pali Text Society's Pali-English dictionary
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Re: "Pet shop" and "Right livelihood"
« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2012, 07:43:28 am »
The new interpertion give danger, first cause allow trading animal being like horse race, pet house, gold fish (aquarium fish), birds etc (who are not in catogory of the meat business).

second when people speak metta would give them hole and hollow feeling cause the right livelihood are one of 8 fold way the basic of basic, so speaking metta with allowing trade of animal being would be questioned?

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Re: "Pet shop" and "Right livelihood"
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2012, 09:25:12 pm »
All animals should be as free as every human being. But this is not ever the way it is for either.
Live in the present, and make it so beautiful it will be worth remembering.

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Re: "Pet shop" and "Right livelihood"
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2012, 11:48:09 pm »
some of the people think more far in no trading of living beings like no trading jin, ghost, spirit etc

but after become no trading in human beings the barier been lifted so right now possible to trading this kinds being and still in right livelihood?

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Re: "Pet shop" and "Right livelihood"
« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2012, 08:15:33 am »
humans are not free   that is a myth
 
 
   all animals are not human
 
 
   lucky for them
...i found there was no "i" anywhere.....

 


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