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Shakyamuni Buddha when he was a bodhisatta, was prophesized to become a Buddha by the Buddhas of the past, right?

When the bodhisatta did attain Buddhahood, he was said to ponder if he should teach others or not, right or wrong?

How could the newly enlightened Buddha Shakyamuni decide NOT to teach the world, because he was prophesized to do so by the Buddhas of the past, right?

So if a being were to say the Buddha could have decided to NOT teach the world, then that being would be wrong, right?

So the bodhisatta after his prediction by Dipankara Buddha (the first of the Buddhas of the line of Buddhas to predict his Buddhahood in the future) MUST become a Buddha who MUST teach the world, right? The bodhisatta's fate is sealed, meaning he could never come to the decision NOT to teach the world after he became Shakyamuni Buddha, right?
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bodhisatta's fate is sealed after his prediction to Buddhahood?
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2013, 06:23:50 am »
There are previous Buddhas who did not teach, either because they lived in isolation or because the sentient beings of the time were not ready for the Dhamma.

Gautama Buddha, after his awakening, thought the people of his day were not ready for the Dhamma. I am glad that he changed his mind.

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Re: bodhisatta's fate is sealed after his prediction to Buddhahood?
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2013, 04:48:30 pm »
Monkey Mind and all,

at present there are 10 replies (including my own replies) and 2 pages on this same thing, I posted at 'Buddhism Without Boundaries'. Link to the discussion:

http://www.buddhismwithoutboundaries.com/showthread.php?4314-prediction-of-bodhisatta-to-Buddhahood
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Re: bodhisatta's fate is sealed after his prediction to Buddhahood?
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2013, 05:52:24 pm »
I don't understand the OP question.

Because you posted this in the Theravada section, I will take an under-qualified attempt at this. In the Theravada tradition, there is not a belief in pre-ordained God-supervised destiny. It is wrong to view Karma in this way. Buddhas, and some advanced meditation master, have the ability to see the threads of Karma extending into the past or future. Some call this "psychic power", I don't know if I agree with that term. A theory that makes sense to me: Karma is very powerful, and its results are very predictable. This is not "destiny", but the power of cause and effect.
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Re: bodhisatta's fate is sealed after his prediction to Buddhahood?
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2013, 07:00:43 pm »
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When the bodhisatta did attain Buddhahood, he was said to ponder if he should teach others or not, right or wrong?

He pondered whether to teach or not because many people don’t get anatta.  Many still don't get anatta, as you can see from the many discussions on the subject.

‘Two ideas are psychologically deep-rooted in man; self-protection and self-preservation. For self-protection man has created God, on whom he depends for his own protection, safety and security, just as a child depends on its parent. For self-preservation man has conceived the idea of an immortal Soul or Ātman, which will live eternally. In his ignorance, weakness, fear, and desire, man needs these two things to console himself. Hence he clings to them deeply and fanatically.

The Buddha’s teaching does not support this ignorance, weakness, fear, and desire, but aims at making man enlightened by removing and destroying them, striking at their very root. According to Buddhism, our ideas of God and Soul are false and empty. Though highly developed as theories, they are all the same extremely subtle mental projections, garbed in an intricate metaphysical and philosophical phraseology. These ideas are so deep-rooted in man, and so near and dear to him, that he does not wish to hear, nor does he want to understand, any teaching against them.

The Buddha knew this quite well. In fact, he said that his teaching was ‘against the current’ (paṭisotagāmi), against man’s selfish desires. Just four weeks after his Enlightenment, seated under a banyan tree, he thought to himself; ‘I have realized this Truth which is deep, difficult to see, difficult to understand … comprehensible only by the wise … Men who are overpowered by passions and surrounded by a mass of darkness cannot see this Truth, which is against the current, which is lofty, deep, subtle and hard to comprehend.’

With these thoughts in his mind, the Buddha hesitated for a moment, whether it would not be in vain if he tried to explain to the world the Truth he had just realized. Then he compared the world to a lotus pond: In a lotus pond there are some lotuses still under water; there are others which have risen only up to the water level; there are still others which stand above water and are untouched by it. In the same way in this world, there are men at different levels of development. Some would understand the Truth. So the Buddha decided to teach it.

The doctrine of Anatta or No-Soul is the natural result of, or the corollary to, the analysis of the Five Aggregates and the teaching of Conditioned Genesis (Paṭicca-samuppāda) (Walpola Rahula, Chapter 6 - Anatta).
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Re: bodhisatta's fate is sealed after his prediction to Buddhahood?
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2013, 09:26:47 pm »
[moderator note: at the request of a visitor, I removed the references to another forum. They only detracted from the thread.]

 


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