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Bodhisatva
« on: March 24, 2018, 03:14:08 pm »
If one is enlightened and takes vows to come back to help others, that implies that an enlightened being has a choice at death.  If this is true, then why didn't the Buddha himself come back as a Bodhisatva?  If they have come back to help all sentient beings become enlightened, wouldn't that take close to an infinite time?
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Re: Bodhisatva
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2018, 08:08:11 pm »
  If this is true... 

Its only considered true in Mahayana. In Theravada, a Bodhisatta is an unenlightened being sincerely searching for enlightenment. Therefore, in Theravada, this Mahayana idea is not true.

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« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2018, 12:17:09 am »
If one is enlightened and takes vows to come back to help others, that implies that an enlightened being has a choice at death.  If this is true, then why didn't the Buddha himself come back as a Bodhisatva?  If they have come back to help all sentient beings become enlightened, wouldn't that take close to an infinite time?
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Your understanding of enlightened being is yet to actualised. Therefore it has death. When being is supremely enlightened, there is no choice and death, and its bodhisatva vow is inherently nature that triggered by the condition of living beings who would desire to stop the condition for cycles of rebirth to take place.
Buddha could be reincarnated as bodhisatva attributed to its supreme enlightenment of omnipresence beyond form & non form. bodhisatva could be as buddha but is not supremely enlightened. Both bodhisatva and buddha discussed here have actualised, the slightest different is that bodhisatvas have completely let go of its discrimination and attachment, but are not yet pristinely cleansed of its ignorance as that of Buddha.

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« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2018, 01:13:01 am »
Take academic school student as an example. The student would be focusing and enjoying his school study gracefully and not greed and compare over the result. A bodhisatva student resides in prudent, would not be giving his parents, schoolmates and teachers problems while in his pursuit of academic studying and daily living. This is because all worldly and non worldly matters are not an external of the enlightenment nature of all beings.

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Re: Bodhisatva
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2018, 03:10:57 am »
If one is enlightened and takes vows to come back to help others, that implies that an enlightened being has a choice at death.  If this is true, then why didn't the Buddha himself come back as a Bodhisatva?  If they have come back to help all sentient beings become enlightened, wouldn't that take close to an infinite time?
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The Bodhisattva vow is only for those not yet enlightened. The vow is to wait for your own enlightenment until all beings are enlightened. For the general Buddhist trying to follow the path it's best to be seen as an idea which helps you not grasp onto the idea of enlightenment, which, if taken to extreme, will hold you back. Anyway, an enlightened being would have no further need for vows.
“You do not need to leave your room. Remain sitting at your table and listen. Do not even listen, simply wait, be quiet, still and solitary. The world will freely offer itself to you to be unmasked, it has no choice, it will roll in ecstasy at your feet.” Franz Kafka

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« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2018, 09:35:24 pm »
If enlightened beings have no vow, then Buddha Sakyamuni would not be incarnated in this world, and there would be no Buddhism at all. Needless to mention Freesangha forum could never be existed without inception of buddhism. And Buddha Amitabha’s vow that had succeeded uncountable beings of past, present and future

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« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2018, 08:17:40 pm »
If enlightened beings have no vow, then Buddha Sakyamuni would not be incarnated in this world, and there would be no Buddhism at all. Needless to mention Freesangha forum could never be existed without inception of buddhism. And Buddha Amitabha’s vow that had succeeded uncountable beings of past, present and future

There were many Buddhas before Sakyamuni Buddha:

List of names of previous Buddhas:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_named_Buddhas
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Re: Bodhisatva
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2018, 05:52:42 am »
If enlightened beings have no vow, then Buddha Sakyamuni would not be incarnated in this world, and there would be no Buddhism at all. Needless to mention Freesangha forum could never be existed without inception of buddhism. And Buddha Amitabha’s vow that had succeeded uncountable beings of past, present and future
Sorry, but this makes no sense at all. The Buddha, once enlightened, couldn't take a Bodhisattva vow, which is taken to hold back enlightenment. He just decided that some people were close enough to enlightenment that he might be able to teach them to do what he did.
“You do not need to leave your room. Remain sitting at your table and listen. Do not even listen, simply wait, be quiet, still and solitary. The world will freely offer itself to you to be unmasked, it has no choice, it will roll in ecstasy at your feet.” Franz Kafka

 


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