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« Reply #30 on: July 26, 2017, 05:36:40 pm »
So you don't know about this notion of Nirvana being experiential and lasting? Eternity means lasting forever, not ending or changing.

I have never read Nirvana described as "eternal" or as "lasting forever". You will have to provide a quote to support your rebellious statement. The word "eternal" is the opposite of "nihilist". Both are wrong views in Buddhism.

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You have heard nothing within your extensive studies in Buddhism and Buddhist scriptures of this and the denial that Nirvana refers to Non-Existence?

I have already expertly addressed this distinction previously on this thread. The distinction between emptiness (sunnata), no-more-becoming (natthi dāni punabbhavo) & non-existence (vibhava) is unrelated to your errors & rebelliousness here.

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Furthermore, you very likely do not believe in experiential reincarnation

Please stop lying. There is no such thing as "experiential reincarnation". All the mind can experience are mental formations.

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,and furthermore probably do not believe in attaining Nirvana through any practices really except via simply dying as one or anyone dies

Please stop slandering.

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I can't quote suttas

You appear to be not a Buddhist but some kind of Christian evangelist.

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Re: Craving for Non-Existence
« Reply #31 on: July 26, 2017, 05:41:11 pm »
http://newbuddhist.com/discussion/4216/how-is-nirvana-different-than-annihilation

" The Buddhist scriptures clearly & unambiguously have defined Nirvana as the here & now cessation of greed, hatred & delusion.


it is best to not copy & paste other people's posts from other forums, particularly quotes such as the one above, which I posted. It makes you look very silly to use my personal post from New Buddhist forum to argue against me.

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« Reply #32 on: July 26, 2017, 05:49:55 pm »
Nirvana was conceived as the attainment of immortality, and the gaining of a deathless sphere from which there would be no falling back.

Nirvana is not 'immorality' because it is unborn. However, Nirvana is the deathless because the unborn is also the undying.

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Nirvana can be reached because it already dwells as the inmost "consciousness" of the human being. It is a consciousness which is not subject to birth and death.

Nirvana is unrelated to consciousness. This quote is wrong.

It looks so silly when you copy quotes from myself & others that contradict each other in a vain attempt to support your floundering.

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« Reply #33 on: July 26, 2017, 05:57:51 pm »
Conze mentions ideas like the "person" (pudgala), the assumption of an eternal "consciousness" in the saddhatusutra, the identification of the Absolute, as descriptors of Nirvana to mean an "invisible infinite consciousness, which shines everywhere" in Dighanikaya XI 85, and "traces of a belief in consciousness as the nonimpermanent centre of the personality which constitutes an absolute element in this contingent world."[143]

Nirvana as a location
Schayer's methodology has been used by M. Falk.[145][note 19] Falk details the precanonical Buddhist conceptions of the cosmos, nirvana, the Buddha, the path, and the saint. According to Falk, in the precanonical tradition, there is a threefold division of reality:[145]

The rupadhatu, the samsaric sphere of name and form (namarupa), in which ordinary beings live, die, and are reborn.
The arupadhatu, the sphere of "sheer nama," produced by samadhi, an ethereal realm frequented by yogins who are not completely liberated;
"Above" or "outside" these two realms is the realm of nirvana, the "amrta sphere," characterized by prajna. This nirvana is an "abode" or "place" which is gained by the enlightened holy man.[note 20]
According to Falk, this scheme is reflected in the precanonical conception of the path to liberation.[147] The nirvanic element, as an "essence" or pure consciousness, is immanent within samsara. The three bodies are concentric realities, which are stripped away or abandoned, leaving only the nirodhakaya of the liberated person.[147] Wynne notes that this pure consciousness was the central element in precanonical Buddhism:

Schayer referred to passages in which "consciousness" (vinnana) seems to be the ultimate reality or substratum (e.g. A I.10) 14 as well as the Saddhatu Sutra, which is not found in any canonical source but is cited in other Buddhist texts — it states that the personality (pudgala) consists of the six elements (dhatu) of earth, water, fire, wind, space and consciousness; Schayer noted that it related to other ancient Indian ideas. Keith’s argument is also based on the Saddhatu Sutra as well as "passages where we have explanations of Nirvana which echo the ideas of the Upanishads regarding the ultimate reality." He also refers to the doctrine of "a consciousness, originally pure, defiled by adventitious impurities."[148]

According to Lindtner, in precanonical Buddhism Nirvana is a physical place and the outer most realm of cosmos.[149] This is a place, states Lindtner, referred to as nirvanadhatu, without border-signs (animitta), it cannot be visualized (anidarsana), it is past the other six dhatus (beginning with earth and ending with vijñana) but is closest to akasa and vijñana. Once there in this is place of nirvana, one does not slip back, it is acyutapada. As opposed to this world, adds Lindtner, nirvana in early Buddhism is a pleasant place to be in, "it is sukha, things work well".[150][note 21]

Elements of this precanonical Buddhism may have survived the canonisation, and its subsequent filtering out of ideas, and re-appeared in Mahayana Buddhism.[138][140] According to Lindtner, the existence of multiple, and contradicting ideas, is also reflected in the works of 2nd-century Nagarjuna, who tried to harmonize these different and conflicting ideas in Buddhist literature that preceded him. According to Lindtner, this lead him to take a "paradoxical" stance, on nirvana, where he rejects any positive description and rejects any absolute, while paradoxically accepting all sides within the Buddhist traditions.[151]"

Sounds lofty to the undiscerning unenlightened mind but, what I read of the above, is non-sense.  :teehee:

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« Reply #34 on: July 26, 2017, 06:07:17 pm »
https://buddhismnow.com/2009/10/28/nirvana-for-everyone/

"Only after studying the Pali Canon did I discover that nirvana is a different event to death; it is life without death, and it is nourishing to all living things. Even though the body may yield to death, the mind in a state of nirvana does not die.

Other religions in India that were contemporary to Buddhism also used the word ‘nirvana’. Leaders of these religions used to send their men to ask the Buddha about his version of nirvana. Their meaning might have been ‘death’ (these were the peoples of south India). We may conclude, therefore, that nirvana was the most important subject of these people. One such group might have interpreted the word as ‘death’ and taught that as the meaning in Southeast Asia before Buddhism spread throughout the area. It was probably the same in the case of the word ‘atman’ (self).

The Buddha went in search of nirvana—in the sense of total extinction of suffering, rather than in the sense of it meaning death—with the help of leaders of various religious sects existing in India during that period. The highest realm he found was ‘the realm of neither-perception-nor-nonperception’, that is ‘the calmness of the mind wherein there is neither death nor nondeath’. This he did not accept as being the ultimate, and continued in his search. Finally, he reached nirvana, the cool state of mind resulting from the extinction of defilements, and he termed it ‘the cessation of suffering’. The more one’s defilements decrease, the more the coolness increases. This continues until the greatest degree of coolness is reached after all of one’s impurities have been extinguished. Nirvana is the coolness resulting from the extinction of defilements whether they become extinct of themselves or by one’s effort.

Defilements are compounded things­—they have birth and they have death. According to the Pali Canon, this fact is an indication that something is a defilement. When causal conditions are not present, defilements simply become extinct. Even though the extinction may be temporary, even though there is only temporary coolness, the phenomenon has the real sense of nirvana. Hence, temporary nirvana does exist for those who have some impurities left; temporary nirvana nourishes all sentient beings. If defilements were with us day and night without ceasing, who would ever stand them? Living things would either die, or become insane first and then die. One survives because there are periods when the fires of defilements do not burn. Periodical nirvana keeps all of us alive and well, and is a nourishing condition, normal to life.

Why don’t we know or feel thankful for this kind of nirvana? Fortunately, it is our instinct to acquire it. Whatever has any heart and mind will look for periods when defilements, or strong desires, are absent. If a living thing maintains unceasing desire, it will have to die. Therefore, an infant knows how to suck milk and a ­mosquito knows how to suck blood, in order to keep itself alive. Our instincts inherently have such a quality; that is to say, we instinctively go in search of spans of time when the mind is free from defilement or desire. Whenever it happens, a little nirvana always comes in. And the phenomenon will continue until one learns how to convert it into permanent or complete nirvana. This will not be death, but nondeath, especially of one’s mind. Those who see this truth will realise by themselves that we all survive because of this kind of nirvana, and not solely because of food with which we are infatuated.

The coolness and calmness which everyone wants is the meaning of nirvana, but most people misunderstand it and go towards fiery sensual pleasures instead. What they then receive is false nirvana. Such practices have been in existence since the time of the Buddha or even before that period as seen in the sixty-two views of the Brahma­jala sutta.

The supreme state of nirvana is attained when all the fires of defilement are extinguished. The highest attainment in Buddhism, as stated by the Buddha, involves the extinction of lust, anger, and delusion. That is the ultimate extinction of all the fires, and the subsequent coolness is as supreme as life can attain.

Nirvana is not the mind, but the state which the mind can achieve. The Buddha referred to it as a sphere to be reached by mindfulness and wisdom. Visible objects, sounds, smells, tastes, and tangible objects are of the material sphere, the physical sphere. The sphere of unbounded space and other spheres up to the sphere of neither-perception­-nor-nonperception are mental spheres that the mind can reach. However, nirvana is a sphere of wisdom which mindful, wise people may perceive or attain. Nirvana, therefore, may be considered to be something that nature holds for human beings of a higher spiritual level. We should consider this fact in order that both nirvana and all of us do not exist in vain. Every one of us has the mindfulness and the wisdom to sense nirvana. Please don’t let it all go to waste.

The sphere of nirvana is something that naturally exists for people to attain. It is like precious medicine which can extinguish all kinds of suffering. No ordinary medicine can ever relieve the real suffering or disease which exists, disease caused by defilements which can only be cured by the extinction of those defilements. This sickness is the utmost ailment of the soul, hidden secretly in us and secretly tormenting us. Whoever extinguishes it will be the one who reaches the pinnacle of being human.

Synonyms of nirvana are numerous: ‘deathless­ness’, ‘permanence’, ‘peace’, ‘the state of being without fear or danger’, ‘health’, ‘the state of being without disease’, ‘freedom’, ‘emancipation’, ‘the shelter’, ‘the refuge’, ‘the stronghold’, the float for people who have fallen into the water’, ‘the highest gain’, ‘the highest bliss’, ‘the further shore’, ‘the place one will reach in the future when the physical and mental constitution of the body comes to an end’, and so on. The expression which best conveys the meaning of nirvana is ‘the cessation of suffering’, but it is not interesting enough for those who do not feel that they are suffering. For them, there is no suffering to extinguish. Once they are told that nirvana is a new life, a life in which there is a quenching of thirst, or a life which is beyond the positive or negative, then they become extremely interested. For each individual we must have a particular translation of the word ‘nirvana’, which is not at all easy. Deep down, everybody wants nirvana, but they are not conscious of that fact."

More funny.  :teehee: This quote is by the old Thai monk Buddhadasa, recipient of many honorary doctorates, Thai representative to the last Buddhist council & the most renowned debunker of metaphysical ideas about rebirth & reincarnation. Buddhadasa is the #1 enemy of the Buddhist rebirthers. Yet you quote him.  :lmfao:

Note: the word "eternal" is not used above because Nirvana is permanent happiness for the lifetime of an arahant; that is all.

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Re: Craving for Non-Existence
« Reply #35 on: July 26, 2017, 06:09:29 pm »
So you don't know about this notion of Nirvana being experiential and lasting? Eternity means lasting forever, not ending or changing.

I have never read Nirvana described as "eternal" or as "lasting forever". You will have to provide a quote to support your rebellious statement. The word "eternal" is the opposite of "nihilist". Both are wrong views in Buddhism.

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You have heard nothing within your extensive studies in Buddhism and Buddhist scriptures of this and the denial that Nirvana refers to Non-Existence?

I have already expertly addressed this distinction previously on this thread. The distinction between emptiness (sunnata), no-more-becoming (natthi dāni punabbhavo) & non-existence (vibhava) is unrelated to your errors & rebelliousness here.

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Furthermore, you very likely do not believe in experiential reincarnation

Please stop lying. There is no such thing as "experiential reincarnation". All the mind can experience are mental formations.

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,and furthermore probably do not believe in attaining Nirvana through any practices really except via simply dying as one or anyone dies

Please stop slandering.

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I can't quote suttas

You appear to be not a Buddhist but some kind of Christian evangelist.

 ;D

Those aren't lies or slander. You just admitted you don't believe in reincarnation as a real experience and that you don't believe in any sort of eternal or lasting Nirvana state, just plain old basic old fashioned Atheistic death. Right? If not, clarify. Why aren't you doing the Permanent Cessation thing right now? Instead you are concerned about making false accusations of slander? I have difficulty copy pasting on the phone I use to post, but Suttas are available which have been the basis for many standard Buddhist beliefs throughout the centuries regarding notions I mentioned. You don't answer the questions though? If there is no return upon death and death is the cessation of suffering, why not? Your ideas are the ones which are rather new to Buddhism, and why should you care? You don't even call yourself a Buddhist.

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« Reply #36 on: July 26, 2017, 06:13:22 pm »
It looks so silly when you copy quotes from myself & others that contradict each other in a vain attempt to support your floundering.

VisuddhiRaptor. Stop being so mean to my friend The Artis Magistra; you nasty person.  :argue:

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« Reply #37 on: July 26, 2017, 06:19:18 pm »
Nirvana was conceived as the attainment of immortality, and the gaining of a deathless sphere from which there would be no falling back.

Nirvana is not 'immorality' because it is unborn. However, Nirvana is the deathless because the unborn is also the undying.

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Nirvana can be reached because it already dwells as the inmost "consciousness" of the human being. It is a consciousness which is not subject to birth and death.

Nirvana is unrelated to consciousness. This quote is wrong.

It looks so silly when you copy quotes from myself & others that contradict each other in a vain attempt to support your floundering.

 :teehee: :lmfao:

I was just quoting from a variety of places to show some alternative ideas that are floating around these days. The Unborn, did not come into being from not being, it is unconditioned, anyone would understand the usage of the word Eternal in that context, but maybe your language is Pali instead of English.

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« Reply #38 on: July 26, 2017, 06:20:09 pm »
Those aren't lies or slander. You just admitted you don't believe in reincarnation...

They are slander because they are unrelated to Right View in Buddhism, which does not include reincarnation.

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Why aren't you doing the Permanent Cessation thing right now?

Permanent cessation is defined in the permanent cessation of craving, self-identity & suffering rather than life.  :listen:

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And this, monks, is the noble truth of the cessation of stress: the remainderless fading & cessation, renunciation, relinquishment, release & letting go of that very craving. MN 56.11

The remainderless fading & cessation, renunciation, relinquishment, release, & letting go of that very craving: This, friend Visakha, is the cessation of self-identification described by the Blessed One. MN 44

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« Reply #39 on: July 26, 2017, 06:23:08 pm »
https://buddhismnow.com/2009/10/28/nirvana-for-everyone/

"Only after studying the Pali Canon did I discover that nirvana is a different event to death; it is life without death, and it is nourishing to all living things. Even though the body may yield to death, the mind in a state of nirvana does not die.

Other religions in India that were contemporary to Buddhism also used the word ‘nirvana’. Leaders of these religions used to send their men to ask the Buddha about his version of nirvana. Their meaning might have been ‘death’ (these were the peoples of south India). We may conclude, therefore, that nirvana was the most important subject of these people. One such group might have interpreted the word as ‘death’ and taught that as the meaning in Southeast Asia before Buddhism spread throughout the area. It was probably the same in the case of the word ‘atman’ (self).

The Buddha went in search of nirvana—in the sense of total extinction of suffering, rather than in the sense of it meaning death—with the help of leaders of various religious sects existing in India during that period. The highest realm he found was ‘the realm of neither-perception-nor-nonperception’, that is ‘the calmness of the mind wherein there is neither death nor nondeath’. This he did not accept as being the ultimate, and continued in his search. Finally, he reached nirvana, the cool state of mind resulting from the extinction of defilements, and he termed it ‘the cessation of suffering’. The more one’s defilements decrease, the more the coolness increases. This continues until the greatest degree of coolness is reached after all of one’s impurities have been extinguished. Nirvana is the coolness resulting from the extinction of defilements whether they become extinct of themselves or by one’s effort.

Defilements are compounded things­—they have birth and they have death. According to the Pali Canon, this fact is an indication that something is a defilement. When causal conditions are not present, defilements simply become extinct. Even though the extinction may be temporary, even though there is only temporary coolness, the phenomenon has the real sense of nirvana. Hence, temporary nirvana does exist for those who have some impurities left; temporary nirvana nourishes all sentient beings. If defilements were with us day and night without ceasing, who would ever stand them? Living things would either die, or become insane first and then die. One survives because there are periods when the fires of defilements do not burn. Periodical nirvana keeps all of us alive and well, and is a nourishing condition, normal to life.

Why don’t we know or feel thankful for this kind of nirvana? Fortunately, it is our instinct to acquire it. Whatever has any heart and mind will look for periods when defilements, or strong desires, are absent. If a living thing maintains unceasing desire, it will have to die. Therefore, an infant knows how to suck milk and a ­mosquito knows how to suck blood, in order to keep itself alive. Our instincts inherently have such a quality; that is to say, we instinctively go in search of spans of time when the mind is free from defilement or desire. Whenever it happens, a little nirvana always comes in. And the phenomenon will continue until one learns how to convert it into permanent or complete nirvana. This will not be death, but nondeath, especially of one’s mind. Those who see this truth will realise by themselves that we all survive because of this kind of nirvana, and not solely because of food with which we are infatuated.

The coolness and calmness which everyone wants is the meaning of nirvana, but most people misunderstand it and go towards fiery sensual pleasures instead. What they then receive is false nirvana. Such practices have been in existence since the time of the Buddha or even before that period as seen in the sixty-two views of the Brahma­jala sutta.

The supreme state of nirvana is attained when all the fires of defilement are extinguished. The highest attainment in Buddhism, as stated by the Buddha, involves the extinction of lust, anger, and delusion. That is the ultimate extinction of all the fires, and the subsequent coolness is as supreme as life can attain.

Nirvana is not the mind, but the state which the mind can achieve. The Buddha referred to it as a sphere to be reached by mindfulness and wisdom. Visible objects, sounds, smells, tastes, and tangible objects are of the material sphere, the physical sphere. The sphere of unbounded space and other spheres up to the sphere of neither-perception­-nor-nonperception are mental spheres that the mind can reach. However, nirvana is a sphere of wisdom which mindful, wise people may perceive or attain. Nirvana, therefore, may be considered to be something that nature holds for human beings of a higher spiritual level. We should consider this fact in order that both nirvana and all of us do not exist in vain. Every one of us has the mindfulness and the wisdom to sense nirvana. Please don’t let it all go to waste.

The sphere of nirvana is something that naturally exists for people to attain. It is like precious medicine which can extinguish all kinds of suffering. No ordinary medicine can ever relieve the real suffering or disease which exists, disease caused by defilements which can only be cured by the extinction of those defilements. This sickness is the utmost ailment of the soul, hidden secretly in us and secretly tormenting us. Whoever extinguishes it will be the one who reaches the pinnacle of being human.

Synonyms of nirvana are numerous: ‘deathless­ness’, ‘permanence’, ‘peace’, ‘the state of being without fear or danger’, ‘health’, ‘the state of being without disease’, ‘freedom’, ‘emancipation’, ‘the shelter’, ‘the refuge’, ‘the stronghold’, the float for people who have fallen into the water’, ‘the highest gain’, ‘the highest bliss’, ‘the further shore’, ‘the place one will reach in the future when the physical and mental constitution of the body comes to an end’, and so on. The expression which best conveys the meaning of nirvana is ‘the cessation of suffering’, but it is not interesting enough for those who do not feel that they are suffering. For them, there is no suffering to extinguish. Once they are told that nirvana is a new life, a life in which there is a quenching of thirst, or a life which is beyond the positive or negative, then they become extremely interested. For each individual we must have a particular translation of the word ‘nirvana’, which is not at all easy. Deep down, everybody wants nirvana, but they are not conscious of that fact."

More funny.  :teehee: This quote is by the old Thai monk Buddhadasa, recipient of many honorary doctorates, Thai representative to the last Buddhist council & the most renowned debunker of metaphysical ideas about rebirth & reincarnation. Buddhadasa is the #1 enemy of the Buddhist rebirthers. Yet you quote him.  :lmfao:

Note: the word "eternal" is not used above because Nirvana is permanent happiness for the lifetime of an arahant; that is all.

 :om:

I provided a variety of quotes, I am not a "re-birther" or whatever, but I am trying to say a wide variety of ideas have existed among Buddhists, people who call themselves Buddhists, unlike you who does not call yourself Buddhist. I am not quoting things to prove that it is indeed the csse we do not simply die forever as you seem to wish but for some reason delay.

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« Reply #40 on: July 26, 2017, 06:25:58 pm »
Those aren't lies or slander. You just admitted you don't believe in reincarnation...

They are slander because they are unrelated to Right View in Buddhism, which does not include reincarnation.

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Why aren't you doing the Permanent Cessation thing right now?

Permanent cessation is defined in the permanent cessation of craving, self-identity & suffering rather than life.  :listen:

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And this, monks, is the noble truth of the cessation of stress: the remainderless fading & cessation, renunciation, relinquishment, release & letting go of that very craving. MN 56.11

The remainderless fading & cessation, renunciation, relinquishment, release, & letting go of that very craving: This, friend Visakha, is the cessation of self-identification described by the Blessed One. MN 44

So why not just be clear? You believe that what you believe is what the Buddha was said to have said, and you believe the end of suffering is basically to die. Yes? Just say it like a human being please.

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« Reply #41 on: July 26, 2017, 06:26:30 pm »
I was just quoting from a variety of places to show some alternative ideas that are floating around these days. The Unborn, did not come into being from not being, it is unconditioned, anyone would understand the usage of the word Eternal in that context, but maybe your language is Pali instead of English.

This is naughty. You were quoting from a variety of places like you were playing a lottery because of not knowing what Nirvana really is. The word 'eternal' is found in Pali and is an evil word used by evil doers particularly when used with a capital 'E'.   :curtain:

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That has not been declared by me, Vaccha: 'The cosmos is eternal.'"

"Well then, Master Gotama, is the cosmos not eternal?"

"Vaccha, that too has not been declared by me: 'The cosmos is not eternal.'"

Ananda, if I — being asked by Vacchagotta the wanderer if there is a self — were to answer that there is a self, that would be conforming with those brahmans & contemplatives who are exponents of eternalism

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« Reply #42 on: July 26, 2017, 06:28:21 pm »
So why not just be clear? You believe that what you believe is what the Buddha was said to have said, and you believe the end of suffering is basically to die. Yes? Just say it like a human being please.

Please stop slandering. The end of suffering is the end of craving & self-identifying, as quoted.  :om:

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« Reply #43 on: July 26, 2017, 06:32:19 pm »
I was just quoting from a variety of places to show some alternative ideas that are floating around these days. The Unborn, did not come into being from not being, it is unconditioned, anyone would understand the usage of the word Eternal in that context, but maybe your language is Pali instead of English.

This is naughty. You were quoting from a variety of places like you were playing a lottery because of not knowing what Nirvana really is. The word 'eternal' is found in Pali and is an evil word used by evil doers particularly when used with a capital 'E'.   :curtain:

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That has not been declared by me, Vaccha: 'The cosmos is eternal.'"

"Well then, Master Gotama, is the cosmos not eternal?"

"Vaccha, that too has not been declared by me: 'The cosmos is not eternal.'"

Ananda, if I — being asked by Vacchagotta the wanderer if there is a self — were to answer that there is a self, that would be conforming with those brahmans & contemplatives who are exponents of eternalism

Evil? Evil-doers? What does Evil or doing Evil matter at all since the great solution to all troubles is simply to die and cause death? When one dies they simply cease to be forever, the ultimate goal of Buddhism right? So the evil doer has nothing to be concerned about, its quite relaxing. Rape, pillage, murder, you escape via death, and there is no one to be caught or held accountable so long as you get away with it in life. Right? If not right, then in plain English explain your ideas on this. In normal Buddhism which you don't believe in, one was not believed or expected to simply escape their crimes via death.

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« Reply #44 on: July 26, 2017, 06:32:47 pm »
Please stop slandering. The end of suffering is the end of craving & self-identifying, as quoted.  :om:

Just because you might be right doesn't mean you can be mean to The Artist Fabristra. Please be nice.  :elf:

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