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Re: Did the Buddha speak the Maha-nidana Sutta?
« Reply #30 on: May 07, 2010, 04:47:19 am »
Do you know who? Any links or references to their claims you may have would be greatly appreciated.
I should have used the word "some" rather than many.

I have read but cannot recall where the claim the DN was the precursor to the longer style Mahayana Sutras.

But I heard verbally from Bhikkhu Buddhadasa in public audience he regarded some of the DN sutras too lengthy to have been spoken by the Buddha.

I suggest you email Santikaro.

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Re: Did the Buddha speak the Maha-nidana Sutta?
« Reply #31 on: May 11, 2010, 03:13:13 am »
Acquason

What are you trying to say?

MN 115 mentions six consciousness.

When it mentions consciousness as part of six elements, this is a broad delineation of phenomena.

In others words, physical, space & mind.

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One of my points as you recognized is that consciousness is used in more than only in the context of the six types of consciousness associated with the the 6 internal and external bases.

The 7 stations of consciousness also occur in Numerical Discourses of the Buddha Section of the 10s Discourse #27 MahaVagga Pathamahapanhasuttam.

Long Discorse #22, a very popular meditation discourse, is very similar to Middle Length Discourse #10, and the section on mindfulness of the body is similar to MLD#119.

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Re: Did the Buddha speak the Maha-nidana Sutta?
« Reply #32 on: May 11, 2010, 03:36:47 am »
Greetings ABC,

Thanks.

On the subject, I've heard this much... http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sutta.html

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Recent scholarship suggests that a distinguishing trait of the Digha Nikaya may be that it was "intended for the purpose of propaganda, to attract converts to the new religion." [1]

[1] Bhikkhu Bodhi, Connected Discourses of the Buddha (Somerville, Mass.: Wisdom Publications, 2000), p.31, referring to Joy Manné's "Categories of Sutta in the Pali Nikayas and Their Implications for Our Appreciation of the Buddhist Teaching and Literature," Journal of the Pali Text Society 15 (1990): 29-87.


Possibly also something from Ajahn Sujato too - not sure. I'll let you know if I come across anything.

Metta,
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Re: Did the Buddha speak the Maha-nidana Sutta?
« Reply #33 on: May 11, 2010, 05:13:15 am »
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Formation of the Nikayas: It seems that usually monks would specialize in studying one or the other of the four Nikayas, so the Nikayas are arranged so that key teachings are found in each Nikaya. Teachings found in only one or two Nikayas, therefore, should not be regarded as central. Each of the four Nikayas, however, has its own flavour. It seems that each was designed to fulfill a certain function within the emerging religion, and this should be seen to reflect the personalities of those who chose to specialize in a particular field. The Digha emphasizes legendary and anti-brahmanical material, and was likely used for propoganda and conversion. The Majjhima contains a deep and broad doctrinal range, and probably served as the main monastic syllabus. The Samyutta is more technical and would have been the domain of the intellectuals and doctrinal specialists. The Anguttara is simpler and more lay-orientated, and would have been used for preaching. Each Nikaya also includes much material contrasting with its overall flavour.

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Indeed, onemight suggest that this Sutta represents the first factor of the eightfold path, right view,while the subsequent Suttas of the DÄ«gha concentrate on the ethical and meditative components of the path.

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Re: Did the Buddha speak the Maha-nidana Sutta?
« Reply #34 on: May 11, 2010, 04:35:22 pm »
Greetings,

Imagine getting lumped with the Digha Nikaya as your specialization... forgoing your own liberation for the sake of converting others.

 :teehee:

Metta,
Retro. :)

 


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