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« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2017, 08:24:06 pm »
Since I do neither hold a theravada view nor follow a theravada tradition but this is a thread for theravada beginners I will not further comment.  It may be up to theravada followers to comment on your lessons if they do not agree.

This sounds like an admission of either illiteracy or, otherwise, defeat.  :teehee:
you may interprete my words as you like. Being liberated without having ever held the exclusive view of a buddhist tradition and without ever having followed the exclusive path of a buddhist tradition I am beyond sectarian debate of the kind 'theravada vs mahayana' you are endorsing. I validly know that ultimately both, theravada and mahayana, are inappropriate.


But since you actually are the only theravada follower versed in the suttas here in this forum readers may easily get the false impression that your individual interpretation of the suttas is unanimously shared among all theravada practitioners which is certainly not the case as one may see when one visits other buddhist forums where there are more theravada followers versed in the suttas than only one.

This thread is about reading literally rather than "interpretation". The very fact that you believe Pali suttas are to be interpreted is an error. This shows why what you post is mostly wrong. You read 'cat' to mean 'dog', etc.

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The very fact that you believe that you could read texts 'literally', i.e. without synthesizing the diverse meanings of words and sentences in your conditioned mind shows that you are lacking the insight necessary to expound the suttas.

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« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2017, 08:52:51 pm »
The very fact that you believe that you could read texts 'literally', i.e. without synthesizing the diverse meanings of words and sentences in your conditioned mind shows that you are lacking the insight necessary to expound the suttas.

Wrong again. The Pali suttas state all teachings fall into the Four Noble Truths. Buddha said he only taught a 'handful of leaves'. The Buddha provided only two short sermons, which were all that were required for the full enlightenment of students.

The teachings are actually quite small in scope & should be read to conform with the core message (rather than as great diversity).

For example, Buddha taught he teaches only two things: (i) suffering & (i) cessation of suffering. This was taught as four things, namely, four noble truths; and then later as twenty-four things, namely, dependent origination & dependent cessation. Then for a better way to destroy the cause of suffering (craving), instead of 'volitionally letting go', the Buddha taught to end craving by seeing impermanence, unsatisfactoriness & not-self of all conditioned things.

The entire core teaching is very basic in scope. The Mahayana is only for those that cannot use the core teachings; for minds that have a tendency or disposition towards proliferation.  :om:
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« Reply #17 on: August 03, 2017, 09:22:00 pm »
The entire core teaching is very basic in scope. The Mahayana is only for those that cannot use the core teachings; for minds that have a tendency or disposition towards proliferation.  :om:
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Wrong again. The Pali suttas state all teachings fall into the Four Noble Truths. Buddha said he only taught a 'handful of leaves'. The Buddha provided only two short sermons, which were all that were required for the full enlightenment of students.

The teachings are actually quite small in scope & should be read to conform with the core message (rather than as great diversity).

For example, Buddha taught he teaches only two things: (i) suffering & (i) cessation of suffering. This was taught as four things, namely, four noble truths; and then later as twenty-four things, namely, dependent origination & dependent cessation. Then for a better way to destroy the cause of suffering (craving), instead of 'volitionally letting go', the Buddha taught to end craving by seeing impermanence, unsatisfactoriness & not-self of all conditioned things.

The entire core teaching is very basic in scope. The Mahayana is only for those that cannot use the core teachings; for minds that have a tendency or disposition towards proliferation.  :om:
Now this is what I call proliferation: 2 -> 4 -> 21.

Two short sermons?  :teehee: Have you seen the thousands of pages of the pali kanon?


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« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2017, 01:29:19 am »
But since you actually are the only theravada follower versed in the suttas here in this forum readers may easily get the false impression that your individual interpretation of the suttas is unanimously shared among all theravada practitioners which is certainly not the case as one may see when one visits other buddhist forums where there are more theravada followers versed in the suttas than only one.

Element is preaching an idiosyncratic interpretation of the suttas in a horribly dogmatic and sectarian way.   He patronises and insults anyone who disagrees, this is why he has been banned from most Buddhist forums. 
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« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2017, 01:43:23 am »
This thread is about reading literally rather than "interpretation". The very fact that you believe Pali suttas are to be interpreted is an error. This shows why what you post is mostly wrong. You read/interpret 'cat' to mean 'dog', etc.

Utter nonsense.  You repeatedly reject the "literal" translation of the suttas because it doesn't fit your dogmatic idiosyncratic interpretation.  You try to bang square pegs into round holes and create a horrible mess. 

You are just here to preach and proselytize your dogmatic nonsense, and when people dare to question it you patronise and insult them.

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« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2017, 01:26:37 pm »
This is wonderful work! Can you repeat it and make it extremely simple and straight forward explaining all the words or using easy examples so that people with very little vocabulary in English or other linguistic frameworks can understand very clearly and easily. Like less big words and difficult abstractions or un-explained terms or definitions. Nothing compkex or overwhelming sounding, just very simple and easy un-bogged down:

How things are. How to see or prove it or the clear proof of how things are. How things can be otherwise. The proof of how things can be otherwise. How to achieve such. The proof of achieving such. Why this should be done. Why there is no better alternative. Why it is not good or right not to do it. Why it has not been done by you, or if it has, in what ways and how and why the current state is the result.

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« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2017, 11:46:33 pm »
But since you actually are the only theravada follower versed in the suttas here in this forum readers may easily get the false impression that your individual interpretation of the suttas is unanimously shared among all theravada practitioners which is certainly not the case as one may see when one visits other buddhist forums where there are more theravada followers versed in the suttas than only one.

Element is preaching an idiosyncratic interpretation of the suttas in a horribly dogmatic and sectarian way.   He patronises and insults anyone who disagrees, this is why he has been banned from most Buddhist forums.

Well he is of the same type of dhamma followers as is Samana Johann who also is banned from most buddhist forums. It's strange but I have experienced that extremist views most often occur in the context of either theravada or vajrayana. Extremist views certainly are an exception but when they occur then mostly in these contexts.

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« Reply #22 on: August 06, 2017, 12:19:52 am »
What I'm more concerned about, besides the rude seeming style, is the over-bogglification of words, which probably makes it so difficult for new-comers to Buddhism to even feel it is possible to understand or chime in with their thoughts or questions.

These ideas were very simple, and very simple people from a very simple past use to be able to understand and follow them, they were also obvious and apparent, nothing was so ultimately weird and difficult about these ideas, they were based in rather normal observations of reality.

Later on, an intellectual class developed which became specialized in increasingly complex elaborations, as happens in most religions when their philosophy is being further elaborated over time. It doesn't end there though, it goes through generation after generation of re-interpretation and translation in different cultures, until it reached the English Language and Western Society which happens to be in a period where there is an agenda to try to make it say certain things and not say other things which it may actually be saying.

This is the time and these are the circumstances VisuddhiRaptor has woken up into, and the best VisuddhiRaptor can try to do is try to either figure out how these ancient writings are best put to use in relation to the obvious, or to try to study the history of these ideas and currents of thought in context to try to relate their primitive meanings.

These guys were not modern psychologists, they were not modern doctors, they were not modern at all. These ideas were extremely straightforward and simple, which was why Buddhism was able to become extremely popular and simple villagers could pick it up and understand it and promote it throughout the ages. These ideas which were so basic and simple, were studied for years by some people, not because they are very difficult or complex, but because the most simple things were being examined in depth to discover more about it or use from it, like studying water, air, fire, or earth. These are simple things we all see and know about, but people spending more time studying it can write a great deal about it.

So one of the problems I'm noticing on Buddhist forums these days is that the ideas are getting way out of hand with how they are being described, the language is getting weird to try to step around self-identification and normal language use almost superstitiously, the whole thing appears to be a difficult mess which also appears to be of little help or worth. Honestly, in this case, a person may be better off just taking a nap and forgetting about the whole thing, when it becomes a matter of tongue rolling and trilling and has basically lost all meaning to anyone coming in from the outside.

The most outspoken people on websites often (but not always) seem to be of this nature, wrangling over terminologies and translations and meanings of some of the most simplistic ideas that were demonstrable to all people and easily explained.

You could see the mindset of the people of the time in the Suttas even, these were not physicists or rocket scientists, nor was Siddhartha Gautama miraculously advanced in what he was saying or writing, he was just talking about what is obvious in obvious ways, not even using terms that were uncommon to the people, but words they could understand.

You can do the same, and then will be speaking in the same spirit of truth with good intentions.

So please make your text and dialogue as easy as possible for all people without looking down on them, please make it approachable, please don't act in ways which are being perceived as totally rude and belligerent and frightening.

Use all your intelligence, wit, skill, history, knowledge, to formulate the easiest and most plain English language explanations of all ideas, same goes for ground, and anyone else.

Lets try to actually communicate in a way that all people can hear it and understand it for the maximum benefit maybe. At least trying is a good try.

The way it looks right now, its like all that hard work is going to go nowhere and seems to be for nothing much or no great benefit. It makes you look bad, it makes Buddhism look terrible and pointless and inaccessible, and its making it seem way harder, way more elitist, way more specialized and weird than it needs to be.

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« Reply #23 on: August 06, 2017, 12:29:04 am »
But since you actually are the only theravada follower versed in the suttas here in this forum readers may easily get the false impression that your individual interpretation of the suttas is unanimously shared among all theravada practitioners which is certainly not the case as one may see when one visits other buddhist forums where there are more theravada followers versed in the suttas than only one.

Element is preaching an idiosyncratic interpretation of the suttas in a horribly dogmatic and sectarian way.   He patronises and insults anyone who disagrees, this is why he has been banned from most Buddhist forums.

Well he is of the same type of dhamma followers as is Samana Johann who also is banned from most buddhist forums. It's strange but I have experienced that extremist views most often occur in the context of either theravada or vajrayana. Extremist views certainly are an exception but when they occur then mostly in these contexts.

Getting banned from Buddhist forums is not really proof of anything much, I've been ridiculed and attacked on Buddhist forums as well without being rude to anyone. So to say "look how the people hate and kick them" does not mean the person is bad or deserved it.

VisuddhiRaptor has a particularly harsh style which seems very rude to people, and also has very specific ideas which do not seem to tolerate other ideas or looser interpretations or personalized interpretations.

I have a much broader or more encompassing framework that is more inclusive of other historical elements of Buddhism and various developments that were said to have occurred, and approach people in an open and jovial, comedic and silly way, and still get treated badly and disliked among online people everywhere, Buddhists and Non-Buddhists alike.

This is likely because the internet is filled with angry and frustrated people, often people who are feeling like they are not achieving anything in life at all so take it out in bashing everyone and everything they can, however they can. A friendly smiling face gets their teeth knocked out.

So even if VisuddhiRaptor were a person who was behaving in a friendly seeming way, they would likely be attacked by other VisuddhiRaptor types or the menacing internet people. That doesn't mean that their behavior is at all good to do though. It only furthers the teaching and the way of nastiness among real human beings who inhabit this communication platform. These are real people, in the real world, who have feelings, and their frustrations come out in the real world too, so being a mean jerk type to people is only spreading evil into the world even if its while speaking the truth or something good.

Either way, one will be attacked, but in being nicer to people and giving a good impression, people can then feel more at ease, and might even adopt aspects of that attitude and make the world a little better bit by bit, even if we don't get direct credit for being that little seed of good that grew up into a good influence for them.

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« Reply #24 on: August 06, 2017, 12:33:34 am »
The very fact that you believe that you could read texts 'literally', i.e. without synthesizing the diverse meanings of words and sentences in your conditioned mind shows that you are lacking the insight necessary to expound the suttas.

Wrong again. The Pali suttas state all teachings fall into the Four Noble Truths. Buddha said he only taught a 'handful of leaves'. The Buddha provided only two short sermons, which were all that were required for the full enlightenment of students.

The teachings are actually quite small in scope & should be read to conform with the core message (rather than as great diversity).

For example, Buddha taught he teaches only two things: (i) suffering & (i) cessation of suffering. This was taught as four things, namely, four noble truths; and then later as twenty-four things, namely, dependent origination & dependent cessation. Then for a better way to destroy the cause of suffering (craving), instead of 'volitionally letting go', the Buddha taught to end craving by seeing impermanence, unsatisfactoriness & not-self of all conditioned things.

The entire core teaching is very basic in scope. The Mahayana is only for those that cannot use the core teachings; for minds that have a tendency or disposition towards proliferation.  :om:

Can you provide the links to pdf files of the two sermons please for full enlightenment in English?

Thank you!


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« Reply #25 on: August 06, 2017, 02:39:45 am »
VisuddhiRaptor has a particularly harsh style which seems very rude to people, and also has very specific ideas which do not seem to tolerate other ideas or looser interpretations or personalized interpretations.

Element arrogantly preaches a personalised interpretation, and does not tolerate any other view of Buddhism.  He attacks and insults anyone who disagrees, and dismisses all other forms of Buddhism as worthless and inferior.  This is is the worst kind of sectarianism, and such appalling arrogance is entirely at odds with the spirit of Buddhism.

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« Reply #26 on: August 06, 2017, 03:14:47 am »
VisuddhiRaptor has a particularly harsh style which seems very rude to people, and also has very specific ideas which do not seem to tolerate other ideas or looser interpretations or personalized interpretations.

Element arrogantly preaches a personalised interpretation, and does not tolerate any other view of Buddhism.  He attacks and insults anyone who disagrees, and dismisses all other forms of Buddhism as worthless and inferior.  This is is the worst kind of sectarianism, and such appalling arrogance is entirely at odds with the spirit of Buddhism.

When I first joined here there was this elderly scientist who had posted some interesting seeming stuff that I wanted to encourage, and I saw VisuddhiRaptor for the first time then being really rude to this guy, I was like wow! Then I saw other things.

One of VisuddhiRaptor's strong points is that he can pull up scriptures and put up quotes. Also one really interesting thing I read from VisuddhiRaptor was his personal story about himself and his journey into Buddhist stuff.

Now VisuddhiRaptor is to me one of the most interesting and important people we can learn from on this forum, because personally I want to avoid this happening to me or happening at all and I want to learn all about it, how does someone become like this in detail, how do they not see or comprehend or think that it is just hunky dory to behave in this way?

They felt bad about hurting their girlfriend, but then they go around hurting real people, causing real distress, making people feel like crying on the internet. Its not compassionate for us to say "oh we should be strong, the weak deserve to suffer, go around terrorizing people and making them feel like poop", these are real people, no one likes to be treated with total disrespect and what almost amounts to hatred or total disregard for emotions or well-being of people.

How though, how does a person become like this, I want to know all about it.

I've been totally mistreated on most forums because I understandably have some radical approaches to trying to make Buddhism more accessible and less confined or restricted seeming and also putting a de-emphasis on lineages and secure transmissions to kind of burst the bubble overall and let all sorts of things flood out fearlessly and see what people might gain from it, but VisuddhiRaptor seems to have an entirely different agenda, and I want to know, what do they want?

I'll be honest, I really don't care if it is even true or not, I don't want there to be that sort of thing as "the only thing". That would be so tragic and terrible. All the wealth of Buddhist history and thought and art just totally disregarded in favor of this very bland thing, this very bland thing that I don't even see what the point of is?

The Buddha saw something which was supposed to make people happy in a lasting way, I thought that is what the idea was, if not that, then what is any of this and why should it be fought for?

What does VisuddhiRaptor want? They don't seem happy at all, they don't seem to be doing much good or making anyone feel good, they don't seem to have any really happy or good relationships, so then what is there? Just fighting? I just don't get what any of this is.

I have a full fledged agenda, I know what I am doing and why I am doing it, I know about my fanaticism and why I am a fanatic, and I know what I believe and why I believe it. I get it. I can even explain it so other people can get it too.

1. I have a Universal Framework which comfortably uses Buddhist thought and language which is my religion, and it makes me happy, I spread it to make other people feel good and happy and accept reality and even the mystical and moral to make a better experience for me, them, and the world.

2. I experience success with this because it genuinely pleases me, pleases those who understand me, and only tries to promote what is really good and happy for people.

3. Anything which creates obstacles or difficulties for me or people, I try to speak out against and have minimized or eliminated.

Its like very simple to understand, I'm obvious, I'm open.

Yet what the heck is VisuddhiRaptor up to honestly? They had some experience where they felt bad about hurting people, so went online and just poop on everyone's heads? Their version of the Dharma, even if it is true, even if that is really really what so and so meant or thought, how is it helpful at all? How can the benefits be demonstrated or proven? How are we seeing any of the flowering results in VisuddhiRaptor? All we see is someone acting mean and hurting people and causing distress and hatred.

Furthermore, what is the goal? If the goal is so simple, why is it not attained by VisuddhiRaptor?

For me, the Goal is Perpetual Serenity through Perpetual Goodness and Virtue that is ongoing, that is to be aligned with the Truth of Good and Goodness and to be a manifestation of it, in every way possible, and basically to always do that as far as I am able. The bottom line of that goal is not Non-Existence, but to be One with Greatness, what is Truly Wonderful and Miraculous and Fine and continue in that.

If the goal is Non-Existence, and these people don't believe in continuation after death, why don't they just make an exit strategy and follow through?

If that is not the goal, and the goal is easy anyway, then why don't they just achieve it already? Why are they painfully creating pain?

I have a different agenda, I don't believe suicide works to make anyone cease to exist, I have different beliefs and goals. My goals make sense, any human being can understand such goals, even if they are futile, they are agreeably noble sounding to any people at any level of education generally.

VisuddhiRaptor, why can't they just be very clear, why are they doing any of this, why should they? Why don't they go away fully? What do they care if Samana thinks this or thinks that, or whatever they claim their reasoning is?

Furthermore, is VisuddhiRaptor happy, and is anyone happy with VisuddhiRaptor or what they say? Would adopting what they say really make anyone happy? Can anyone please talk about this, I think it is of great interest and importance, I sincerely want to understand and understand people like this who do this too.

Why can't we be clear about our agendas, our life goals, our truths, and our activities and causes as far as we are aware?

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« Reply #27 on: August 06, 2017, 07:22:09 am »
The Artis Magistra,

When you attack members, even in your passive aggressive stlye, it’s still a personal attack. And the reality is you are behaving just a badly as the person you are attacking.

So, what the heck are you up to honestly?
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« Reply #28 on: August 06, 2017, 07:39:16 am »
Just stepped in to say something as well, "Magistra".

It's not easy to see that there is a kind of sandbox play like children generally going on. If "Magista" would be really Magista, why does he hit into this hole? What's the nonsensical game here to try to make constantly "friends" in a ugly inhonest way and on the other side enemies. And no worry, personal my person is not a little touched and has no problem in letting people just follow there defilements.

Maybe, if really up in seeking friendship, it would be good to learn some general things not to be learned in the sandbox or in the «hood».

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"In five ways, young householder, should a clansman minister to his friends and associates as the North:


(i) by liberality,
(ii) by courteous speech,
(iii) by being helpful,
(iv) by being impartial,
(v) by sincerity.

http://zugangzureinsicht.org/html/tipitaka/dn/dn.31.0.nara_en.html


Like some other "childrenbehaviour" and it's not just one person, do you really believe to find or get anything out of this way and if what?

At least my person finds it more than praisworthy that here is less "moderation", zensure or even "killing" and it would be very sad if people lose the trust in such, nervouse to lose others. So it's at least also a matter of gratitude to pay to give the best, since nobody needs to give you possibility to birth here or to maintain you existence.

Thinking that because it seems one can hide his identity, kamma has no effect, or it's just a comic game, because all look like comics, would be not wise. There are huming beings behind the pixeloutputs who are subject to many kind of feelings and all other things. It's "reallity" here.

And this is not a personal critic but and urgency to care a little about defilements when they owerwhelm the mind, to be not mistaken as person but just causes of bad outcomes for one.
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« Reply #29 on: August 06, 2017, 12:58:11 pm »
Very nice writing from you both, in particular the latter regarding how to approach people and all the other commentary.

My agenda in using VisuddhiRaptor as an example of the "bad" works also as a tactic towards motivating certain other behaviors in people and promoting or showcasing myself. Later on, people may visit these pages and find my actions laudable and furthermore have it brought to their attention to contrast the style with that of VisuddhiRaptor.

VisuddhiRaptor's style is such that it would strategically limit the scope of people able to benefit from it because it is highly exclusionary, very specific, and is broadcast in an elitist style. It would thus attract those with extremist and elitist personalities who like the idea of being the few and the proud, a group more specific even than those who believe in years of hard work or qualifications with authentic lineages, each of these are demographics.

Now since you both so kindly engaged me directly, I will tell you some things which may act as the basis for my agenda or goals.

I believe in a form of Buddhism or Indian Philosophy or Thinking which may resemble that of many Ancient Buddhists throughout history, namely in the belief that there is a kind of monitoring of good and bad.

I will tell you something stranger though, and give you a taste of some Buddhist Science Fiction:

If in the future a people learn to access a past, they can potentially access such people and bring them all to their future world. If there is a future further on, with more advanced technologies and understandings, no matter how far in the future or how much probability it takes to hit, if there is ever such technology or access, one noble person can work towards the liberation of all of us in the past. Miraculous and strange things would appear possible, and good news could be brought to people urging them in the importance of dependant arising and "karma" regarding their later conditions when they are brought from this world into one of the futures. Earlier futures may not have mastered Immortality or Permanence, later futures may have, and thus you would have the Asuric, Devic, and Buddhic times all present at once.

You may think this is just a silly heresy, but it is a hidden inference within a certain massive school of Early Buddhism. Its also a freaking cool idea, and reasonable as well. It also isn't very important to me because I believe something even beyond that, but it can give people something to expand their minds and start having faith in the magical and miraculous. Just look at how in our world today there are things which are not in the living world of the Ancient people, and before that how life was ever hellish, being chased by beasts and tormenters. Those who do wrong are said to have their experience regress, those who do right are said to have their experience advance into worlds with even greater technologies and benefits than our shower, our sewage, or televisions or internet.

So The Seeing One is who my performance is for. The Seeing One who can access more information and beyond such the Ultimate, and each of the noble eventuals and currents who can access all of this now.

So what I am doing here is laying groundwork for my future, I am hoping to attract and help people as well because I derive an immediate sense of pleasure from trying and a second time of pleasure from appearing to see a success, a third from such being confirmed by a person who is grateful and acknowledging such, a fourth and more in remembering, and a fifth if I am credited with good later, a sixth in remembering such, and so on.

This sort of accelerating multiplication played a great role in both Buddhist and Jain and general Vedic and Indic mathematics. It is this sort of math which also pervades a sensible discourse in seeing how little things can become like an avalanche, and even the Universe was a speck once, they say.

So my interest is in helping myself and helping others, because I may be observed, and it may count for something or assist me in ways greater than what is immediately apparent one way or another. One tactic in doing this is by advertising myself through contrast to some degree with VisuddhiRaptor's work and behavior. Furthermore, since we would not want a future filled with people behaving like that, it is being discouraged, and finally the goals are being called into question.

Non-Existence is not the ideal goal for the people of the future, the Devas would wisely be working on technologies to overcome regression due to losing their ability to stay in perpetuity in their realm, then they have to find themselves in the past and assist or the cycle continues anyway, luckily there are those beyond it who are undying rather than long lived, above all these is the Unconditioned Consciousness which as Action pervades all these refractions entirely.

While we are running here, we are not there, when we are running there, we are not here. There is no soul or substance which is individuated between, no independent persons, the Buddhist cosmology and its developments should be carefully studied, and its relation to other messages, the first and the last.

Many people have encountered strange seeming things which tend to indicate being part of layers of an organized system in control and working wholly towards our own benefit and enlightenment or awareness. The best work to do is not to sit and argue but to carefully observe, interact, study, and also to pray and think and ask and moreover do, do good, and understand that you are not abandoned, you are the saving resource and what you do is counted. Inaction through fear of error is not to be worried about, an honest mistake is known to the Wise and Informed.

The structures of highly restrictive lineage Buddhism and its tight "holding on" are due to world obsessed ignorance, a lack of faith. Open Dharma and Free Use Buddhism are for the benefit of all people any time without strictures of authority or concerns of authenticity, none of those things matter at all, just that we make ourselves useful and multiply excellence to infinity and beyond.

Now all that I wrote might get the well thought out response of "Rubbish" but luckily, I have imaginary friends, me being the first who appreciates my writing and my honesty.

 


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