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Forty internet computers banned from Buddhist chat site
« on: May 17, 2010, 01:28:06 am »
Dear forum

I sit in an internet shop, with at least 40 computers.

I try to log into a certain Buddhist chatsite and the message arises:

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You have been permanently banned from this board.

Please contact the Board Administrator for more information.

Reason given for ban: site blocked

A ban has been issued on your IP address.

 :bigtears: :taz:
« Last Edit: May 17, 2010, 01:29:42 am by ABC »
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Re: Forty internet computers banned from Buddhist chat site
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2010, 01:59:28 am »
Eh ? which site ?  :pray:
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Re: Forty internet computers banned from Buddhist chat site
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2010, 02:23:22 am »
It's not fun when that happens and I can understand your frustration, but as an admin in the process of blocking a troll's access it's not always easy to know if it's the troll's home IP or a public location that gets affected. Still, sometimes it has to be done to keep the trolls away. I have knowingly blocked a public library from accessing FreeSangha, because a troll moved his base of operations there after I blocked his home IP. With such persistent trolls I know of no other solution than to keep banning the IP addresses they respawn from until they get tired of trying. If we only bind the ban to their username or email address, they will just get new ones. Banning by IP is the only alternative that is even moderately effective.
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Re: Forty internet computers banned from Buddhist chat site
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2010, 12:23:12 pm »
Eh ? which site ?  :pray:
This is a Theravadin thread.

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Re: Forty internet computers banned from Buddhist chat site
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2010, 12:30:39 pm »
It's not fun when that happens and I can understand your frustration...
I was not frustrated at all. Assumptions can be dangerous.

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...but as an admin in the process of blocking a troll's access

More assumptions rather than true knowledge.

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it's not always easy to know if it's the troll's home IP or a public location that gets affected.  

Yet one acts based on an assumption.

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Still, sometimes it has to be done to keep the trolls away.

It "has to be done". Wow. Sounds so urgent, a matter of  life & death.

Are you sure this falls into the Four Right Efforts taught by the Buddha?

Is this like when the Buddha taught about one's head being on fire?

 :onfire:

BTW. That internet shop has probably been blocked for at least twelve months.

365 days x 43 computers = ????

 ;D

« Last Edit: May 17, 2010, 12:33:04 pm by ABC »
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Re: Forty internet computers banned from Buddhist chat site
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2010, 01:10:46 pm »
ABC,

As for your reply to my post, yes assumtions can be dangerous, but I'm pretty sure that these weren't. It "has to be done" to keep members happy. An internet forum without members is more pointless than one with members (as I have a feeling that you would question the point of internet forums, yet another assumption on my side).

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Are you sure this falls into the Four Right Efforts taught by the Buddha?

Is this like when the Buddha taught about one's head is on fire?
I'm not sure, and I never claimed I were. And I don't know if it's like the Buddha's teaching about flaming heads. Sorry about that.

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BTW. That internet shop has proably been blocked for at least twelve months.

365 days x 43 computers = ????
That's a lot of assumptions. Probably? At least? Come to think of it, it's quite hard having a normal discussion without making assumptions, isn't it?
« Last Edit: May 17, 2010, 01:29:53 pm by Wonky Badger, Reason: Removed needless and incorrect rant about years and months. :) And misunderstandings. I really shouldn\'t read or post when tired... »
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Re: Forty internet computers banned from Buddhist chat site
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2010, 01:25:37 pm »
ABC- your post caught my interest because I know  that FreeSangha has occasionally thrown a large net (ban) to keep out some small fish (like Wonky has explained). It is good karma for us to hear the other side of the story. Having said that... I am not sure what your need or intention is. Can you clarify?
You posted this in a Theravada forum because it was a Theravada site?
Have you sent an email to the administrator of the site?
Also, it is possible that some of us also participate in this unnamed Theravada site. Is there some action you would like one of us to engage in on your behalf?

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Re: Forty internet computers banned from Buddhist chat site
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2010, 02:27:03 pm »
I'm not sure why the OP is so cryptic, if not to draw us into making assumptions.

I'll try a few assumptions.

This thread is about:

Posting an opaque OP so that others have to make assumptions which can then be shot down, making the OP feel better.

OR

The OP is about the unfairness of depriving other users of these 40 computers access to a site by blocking them all due to another's actions, or is unfair on the part of the forum - even though the technology cannot currently separate the PC's from their common IP address.

OR

These 40 PC's were blocked becuase the OP was banned, and instead of accepting responsibility for that, the OP is complaining instead of addressing his own behaviour.

The 'Theravada thread' refrence was either indicating that the forum complained about was Theravadan (e.g. Dhammwheel) or telling caz he was not welcome on a 'Theravadan' thread. Again, cryptic and unhelpful.

Surely a forum is for communication, not obfuscation.

ABC - If there is a message to be communicated here, then it should be communicated or the thread seems pretty redundant. ;)

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Re: Forty internet computers banned from Buddhist chat site
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2010, 04:50:31 pm »
Greetings,

It would seem that the Internet Shop has computers with a static IP address, meaning that if their static IP address was for some reason associated with a banned member, no one would be able to access the site in question from the Internet Shop.

On the other hand, some Internet providers allocate a user different IP addresses per session, meaning that IP addresses become an ineffective tool for blocking access.



Metta,
Retro. :)

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Re: Forty internet computers banned from Buddhist chat site
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2010, 09:07:50 pm »
These 40 PC's were blocked becuase the OP was banned, and instead of accepting responsibility for that, the OP is complaining instead of addressing his own behaviour.
The attribution of karma here seems a little unusual.

How would one know with certainty the OP was banned?

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Re: Forty internet computers banned from Buddhist chat site
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2010, 11:55:39 pm »
Dear forum

I sit in an internet shop, with at least 40 computers.

Does each have a unique, static IP address? Does the shop have a range of dynamically assigned IP addresses? Are they all sharing the same IP address?

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I try to log into a certain Buddhist chatsite and the message arises:

What certain Buddhist chatsite?

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You have been permanently banned from this board.
Please contact the Board Administrator for more information.
Reason given for ban: site blocked
A ban has been issued on your IP address.

Have you contacted the Board Administrator? If so, what happened? If not, why not?

I'm not getting this thread. It appears cryptic. Why must it be cryptic?

Cheers,

Timbo

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Re: Forty internet computers banned from Buddhist chat site
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2010, 01:42:40 am »
These 40 PC's were blocked becuase the OP was banned, and instead of accepting responsibility for that, the OP is complaining instead of addressing his own behaviour.
The attribution of karma here seems a little unusual.

How would one know with certainty the OP was banned?

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No idea. I cited it as a possibility only.  Just as I cited the possibility that someone else had been banned.
If you read your OP, someone was certainly banned, which must be you or another using that IP.  To quote:
''You have been permanently banned from this board.''

Aside from a technical interest, I se no point in this thread and in particular why it is in the Theravada if not to hint at the nasty Admin who banned the IP.  Is there a purpose being served here?  ;)


 


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