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What exactly is sīlabbata-parāmāsa?
« on: August 19, 2017, 07:40:46 pm »
There is a fetter (chain; bondage) called 'sīlabbata-parāmāsa'. What exactly is this? Please provide at least ten examples of this sīlabbata-parāmāsa, which prevents stream-entry?

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Re: What exactly is sīlabbata-parāmāsa?
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2017, 11:23:12 pm »
It is usually translated as attachment to or grasping at precepts and practices or rites and rituals.

It is the belief that specific actions or specific avoidances are the determinate prerequisite for spiritual attainments.

you can take actually anything that is mentioned in the suttas that one should do or abstain from as an example, all precepts for laymen or monks. Why? Because all of these can be misperceived to support such a belief.

Usually such is the belief of a beginner. That is why it is said to be a fetter that is left behind with stream entry which is associated with the direct perception of emptiness for the first time.
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Re: What exactly is sīlabbata-parāmāsa?
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2017, 09:30:34 pm »
The fetter includes wrong views about 'sila' ('morality'), such as believing threatening people with kammic retribution will help them. Its like urinating into the wind.  :lipsseald:

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Re: What exactly is sīlabbata-parāmāsa?
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2017, 10:05:41 pm »
Telling merely like "the fox and the grapes" that one has overcome the path of virtue is the nature of those having not even the capability to start with the training. As for those on the path, not even an Arahat behaves outside the farme of what "beginners" start to train outwardly not yet directed directly by mind.

Furthermore this fetter means "having given up rites and ways of conduct, not benefical for Nibbana".

As for it's truth, everyone can easily see, since those fare away from proper conduct and ways, are usually not even shy to run around naked and proclaim their freedom of shamelesness in harming and evil conduct.
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Re: What exactly is sīlabbata-parāmāsa?
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2017, 11:49:53 pm »
The fetter includes wrong views about 'sila' ('morality'), such as believing threatening people with kammic retribution will help them. Its like urinating into the wind.  :lipsseald:
Johann has been conditioned by the catholic environment he grew up in. It is very difficult to overcome the conditioning one has been exposed during childhood. There are many who merely convert to buddhism without changing their basic conditioned outlook.

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Re: What exactly is sīlabbata-parāmāsa?
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2017, 01:17:03 am »
Actually he is used to people not listening to benefits, grown up in such enviroment, not used to think wisely, but yes, from experiances, if such untrainable people, kids, are feeded with "you can" and "there will be no fruits of you actions" it's really not of use. Dukkha has to teach them directly and its good to have no remuse to having told it in advanced anyway. A matter of compassion. Go on as you like or feel fit.
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Re: What exactly is sīlabbata-parāmāsa?
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2017, 08:03:40 pm »
Johann has been conditioned by the catholic environment he grew up in. It is very difficult to overcome the conditioning one has been exposed during childhood. There are many who merely convert to buddhism without changing their basic conditioned outlook.
It seems that way. Every time a question is asked, there must be a rant or sermon about moralty (sila), even if the question is unrelated to morality, such as the natural anxiety the mind can experience that is completely unrelated to kamma, such as the first occasions when the ego or self starts to dissolve in samadhi. Sīlabbata-parāmāsa is a fetter on the same level is sakkayaditthi; for the mind not yet entered the stream of ego-dissolution.

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Re: What exactly is sīlabbata-parāmāsa?
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2017, 09:21:06 pm »
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