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Re: Why did the Lord Buddha admonish Samana Vakkali?
« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2017, 11:39:12 pm »
Does "when discrimination of conduct is abounded, all kamma is abounded" applies here, for one teaches the Dhamma, dwellind in Dhamma, beyound being?
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Re: Why did the Lord Buddha admonish Samana Vakkali?
« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2017, 12:04:13 am »
The empty Bodhisatvas hymn of the untouched and free postmodern inspired:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TxmEd9lcn0k

Let us try to stay on topic, please:  :focus:

The discourse below shows how to discuss Dhamma with a void mind, free from creating hallucinations of 'selves'.  :namaste:

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And how, bhikkhus, does there come to be neither extolling nor disparaging but teaching only the Dhamma?

When one does not say: ‘All those engaged in the pursuit of the enjoyment of one whose pleasure is linked to sensual desires … have entered upon the wrong way,’ but says instead: ‘The pursuit is a state beset by suffering, vexation, despair, and fever, and it is the wrong way,’ then one teaches only the Dhamma.

When one does not say: I All those disengaged from the pursuit of the enjoyment of one whose pleasure is linked to sensual desires … have entered upon the right way,’ but says instead: ‘The disengagement is a state without suffering, vexation, despair, and fever, and it is the right way,’ then one teaches only the Dhamma.

“When one does not say: ‘All those engaged in the pursuit of self-mortification … have entered upon the wrong way,’ but says instead: ‘The pursuit is a state beset by suffering, vexation, despair, and fever, and it is the wrong way,’ then one teaches only the Dhamma.

When one does not say: ‘All those disengaged from the pursuit of self-mortification … have entered upon the right way,’ but says instead: ‘The disengagement is a state without suffering, vexation, despair, and fever, and it is the right way,’ then one teaches only the Dhamma.

“When one does not say: ‘All those who have not abandoned the fetter of being … have entered upon the wrong way,’ 233 but says instead: ‘As long as the fetter of being is unabandoned, being too is unabandoned,’ then one teaches only the Dhamma.

When one does not say: ‘All those who have abandoned the fetter of being … have entered upon the right way,’ but says instead: ‘When the fetter of being is abandoned, being also is abandoned,’ then one teaches only the Dhamma.

139. The Exposition of Non-Conflict https://suttacentral.net/en/mn139

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Re: Why did the Lord Buddha admonish Samana Vakkali?
« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2017, 02:17:30 am »
Marvelous, VisudhhiRaptor, marvelous!
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Thank you, good sir.  :anjali:

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Re: Why did the Lord Buddha admonish Samana Vakkali?
« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2017, 05:55:30 pm »
No one should worship the body of a man or a form. The best form of worship is through noble motion or action rather than inaction or apathy. The language of Buddhism typically has motion or processes involved like "getting across". What the Buddha seems to have tried to express was the reality and the truth, and the reality and truth is what underlies all things, including the form or body of men and women. To worship the surface would only do some things, but to work through the Dharma actively would be of the greater overall benefit. That is the proper sort of worship, where the idea of the Dharma kaya or Ultimate comes from, disregarding the man, even the message or words which are all expressions of the Truth, as is anything else, however distorted or misleading for those who don't look past it for what is really good or useful or best or true or lasting.

 


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