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Re: 5 agreggates and emotions
« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2017, 05:20:22 am »
5 aggregates define things like my taste, sense of smell, parts of my mind etc but i dont understand how emotions relate to us in the model of the 5 aggregates?

Also why are the 5 aggregates introduced here in section 7 http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/study/truths.html#second

In the same topic as the first noble truth?

Also are the 5 clinging agreggates just experiences that may cause us to develop addiction?

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Connect Suffering to the better definition of the word Dukkah.  Dukkah is more like a wheel out of balance.  Consider your bike and the spokes needing to have balanced tension.  Watch a video on how to balance a bike wheel.  Read Tao 11 and consider why the emptiness at the wheel hub is the usefulness of the wheel.  Look at the other comparisons in Tao 11. 

From this, see suffering in life as the Zen aphorism:  1) Sickness and Medicine cancel each other.  2)  The same hand that gives sickness also gives medicine. 

The unstated portion of these aphorisms is to see that YOU are the hand.  Once you balance the wheel of dharma for each of the senses, your wheel functions as it was intended to function.  Balanced.  Middle way.  Suffering moved to Joy through cultivation and work.  Harvest 

Now look at a real-world example.

Fatigue (Sickenss)

Rest (Medicine). 

What causes sickness?  Your choice and cause and effect.  Who brings you medicine?  You.  If you balance your work to your rest, you find a higher truth from Suffering, thereby using the prerequisite of suffering to pass this on to joy in balance. 

BLISS (Virtue)

Fatigue is the sickness caused by your own hand.  Rest is the medicine.  Bliss is a higher state you can attain with cultivation of a path (The Way mentioned in Tao), as well as the eight-fold path.  Take each of the eight ways and balance them by finding the mean.  This is the golden mean of Confucius, the Golden mean of Greek Philosophy and the Arete of Aristotle. 

I have attached a list of my own view below.  It carries this into the Fruits of the Spirit found in Galatians 5 of the Bible, or the way to overcome law found in Galatians 3.  All of the aphorisms were then crafted after I found the essence of the three aphorisms I included at the top.  I used them as templates for the rest.  You can make your own from the list to improve on my own view.  I eventually want to write capping verses to complement each aphorism. 

Yes, I just used Hebrew, Tao, Zen and Buddhism along with Greek, with a bit of Confucius to add flavor to the soup.  If you leave any one relative out, you miss the Rainbow by its treasure on either side.  Bridge the gap and you see the Absolute truth.  Your hand is the Ox (Aleph / Strength) you gain as you progress from 1 to 10. 

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Re: 5 agreggates and emotions
« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2017, 05:27:32 am »
Since there can't be a self that clings the agents that cling are the aggregates.


Interesting point.  There is a distinction in the suttas between clinging aggregates and non-clinging aggregates.  Clinging aggregates = dukkha, so presumably the clinging aggregates would cease when dukkha ceases.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn22/sn22.048.than.html

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« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2017, 06:04:46 am »
If the agent of the aggregate is fire, then by conduct the destination is to be consumed by fire.

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Re: 5 agreggates and emotions
« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2017, 06:17:54 am »
If the agent of the aggregate is fire, then by conduct the destination is to be consumed by fire.

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Time and Space are one.  The day after yesterday is now.  You always have time to forget the past by building the future.  The best way to predict the future is to create it.  When do you begin?  All of time and space for you to grow, develop, cultivate and remake yourself again and again.  Seek, Find and Adaptation.

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Re: 5 agreggates and emotions
« Reply #19 on: June 20, 2017, 07:40:10 am »
Since there can't be a self that clings the agents that cling are the aggregates.


Interesting point.  There is a distinction in the suttas between clinging aggregates and non-clinging aggregates.  Clinging aggregates = dukkha, so presumably the clinging aggregates would cease when dukkha ceases.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn22/sn22.048.than.html

Exactly. Initially there is dukkha and the clinging aggregates. Then there is nirvana with remainder when clinging has ceased.  What remains? The aggregates. Then there is nirvana without remainder when even the aggregates have ceased.

 


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