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Offline VisuddhiRaptor

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Re: Overview of what is to be eliminated
« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2017, 03:26:40 am »
This is a good example where you actually would have to have practiced the same as I have and hold the same view I have in order to be able to understand 'truly existing'. But since you haven't you necessarily do not understand what I am talking about.

This is delusion or 'white darkness'. What is posted here is unrelated to Buddhism. Nibbana is the destruction of craving & self-view (rather than the destruction of the elements, aggregates, things, etc). What was posted is merely intellectual philosophy. What was posted is certainly not a permanent state therefore not enlightenment or Nibbana.  :namaste:


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Re: Overview of what is to be eliminated
« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2017, 07:59:51 am »
This is a good example where you actually would have to have practiced the same as I have and hold the same view I have in order to be able to understand 'truly existing'. But since you haven't you necessarily do not understand what I am talking about.

This is delusion or 'white darkness'. What is posted here is unrelated to Buddhism. Nibbana is the destruction of craving & self-view (rather than the destruction of the elements, aggregates, things, etc). What was posted is merely intellectual philosophy. What was posted is certainly not a permanent state therefore not enlightenment or Nibbana.  :namaste:
Now you're being as fundamentalist as friend Samana Johann. Of course what I post here originates exclusively from buddhism but not necessarily from theravada buddhism. My opening post however originated exclusively from theravada buddhism but even there you felt the urge to disavow.

When self view is destructed you won't perceive external objects as truly existing but when you perceive external objects as truly existing then this is evidence that self view is not destructed. Why is this? Because in both cases of perceiving, self or other, it is perception which indicates liberation or bondage.
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Re: Overview of what is to be eliminated
« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2017, 04:19:43 pm »
ground could you try to explain more? Also about your practice and truly existing and all that? It may benefit you or me or someone.

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Re: Overview of what is to be eliminated
« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2017, 06:14:54 pm »
Now you're being as fundamentalist as friend Samana Johann. Of course what I post here originates exclusively from buddhism but not necessarily from theravada buddhism.

Certainly not fundamentalist. Your false view was merely refuted based on its unreality, temporariness & intellectualism. It is not possible to live an ordinary non-suffering enlightened life without discriminating "tree", "food", etc. Whatever is impermanent cannot be Nibbana & liberation.

When self view is destructed you won't perceive external objects as truly existing

This is unrelated to what you originally posted; where the "tree" label was deemed to be suffering.

but when you perceive external objects as truly existing...

it is quite obvious all conditioned things are impermanent & won't exist forever. However, this is unrelated to the error (sloppy explanation) of your original post. The view that a tree exists, albeit temporarily, does not bring suffering. Also, the wrong view that a tree exists forever does not bring suffering. For example, if it is believed Mt Everest exists forever, this does not bring suffering. It is only craving & 'self-views' that bring suffering. It doesn't matter how much you superstitiously take refuge in esoteric Mahayana ideas. What you are posting is untrue according to reality (rather than according to doctrine). You are not being challenged here based on Theravada vs Mahayana. Your false views are being challenged based on experience.  :curtain:

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Re: Overview of what is to be eliminated
« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2017, 09:16:39 pm »
Now you're being as fundamentalist as friend Samana Johann. Of course what I post here originates exclusively from buddhism but not necessarily from theravada buddhism.

Certainly not fundamentalist. Your false view was merely refuted based on its unreality, temporariness & intellectualism.
My right view is validated by liberation.

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Re: Overview of what is to be eliminated
« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2017, 10:08:09 pm »
Do you two like arguing about things? I don't mind much, there is a lot of good things that end up being said potentially in these debates, but I was wondering if you also enjoy it. I don't really enjoy arguing, but I think some people might actually like it. I am not suggesting either of you do, I would be interested in hearing about your liking it or not liking it or whatever. Also, are either of you Buddhist? If so, what is it in your opinion to be a Buddhist? I guess someone who has read the words attributed to Buddha in the Pali Canon and adheres to them as far as one understands them?

Also, ground said something about liberation, can you talk to me more about that? Liberation seems to be a very important goal in Buddhism, but does it look like this? What is it supposed to be or be like? Was the Buddha in your opinion Liberated even whilst he might have been remaining in the world and in various disputes?

 


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