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Re: What happens to an Arhat after death?
« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2012, 08:17:55 pm »
I've always assumed that after death an enlightened being would dwell in the deathless state, rather than just cease to exist  (eg. conciousness would continue indefinitely in Nibbana)
The Buddhist equivalent of heaven surely.
My original question was in regards to the perspective of the Theravada tradition. In the Mahayana traditions that I am aware of there is believed to be a continuity of an enlightened mind after physical death.
Warning: I'm enough of a fundamentalist Tibet style Buddhist to believe that for the last 1,000 years Tibet has produced a handful of enlightened masters in every generation. I do not ask that YOU believe it, but it will greatly simplify conversations if you understand that about me. Thanks.

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Re: What happens to an Arhat after death?
« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2012, 08:25:08 pm »
I guess that is equal to the extreme common believe of ordinary man among Mahayana as well as the other extreme of the ordinary "practitioner" of the Theravada tradition. *smile*

We can't let go of believes and ideas.
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Re: What happens to an Arhat after death?
« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2012, 09:15:25 pm »
I guess that is equal to the extreme common believe of ordinary man among Mahayana as well as the other extreme of the ordinary "practitioner" of the Theravada tradition. *smile*
I think I understood that.

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We can't let go of believes and ideas.
Any discussion of Dharma will entail use of beliefs and ideas. When adopted as a paradigm they then become cause for action, and that usually means meditation. Meditation can, but does not always, lead to seeing things "just as they are", without needing a paradigm any longer. That is the time to let go of beliefs and ideas. "Getting out of the boat (of Dharma) once you reach the other shore" is how it is put traditionally.

All that unless of course you are trying to practice Zen. That's a whole other ball of wax! :jinsyx:
Warning: I'm enough of a fundamentalist Tibet style Buddhist to believe that for the last 1,000 years Tibet has produced a handful of enlightened masters in every generation. I do not ask that YOU believe it, but it will greatly simplify conversations if you understand that about me. Thanks.

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Re: What happens to an Arhat after death?
« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2012, 12:45:45 am »
Like everything on the road of Dharma needs a balance to stay on the track. Reading believe and knowing, also here is a balance needed. People with much saddha (which form ever it might be, from blind believe till conviction of faith out of understanding) and less panna, tend to tanha (attachment, amorousness, greed) and stick on it. People with much intellect and lower forms of panna (wisdom) but less saddha tend to maya (illusion and easy to trickiness and deception).

To gain insight (real understanding) saddha and panna have to be in balance and help each other to do not fall into any extreme while mindfulness (sati) is the balance keeper.

That has nothing to do with going of the boat, but start to jump into the boat and cast off . Its more to stop jumping into the water without floatation devices and striving quick to the old shore back as soon as the waves become high (panna) or walking up and down on the shore totally in love with how it could be to be on the other side one day (saddha).

If we tend to believe we need to increase our knowledge, if we are lost in intellectuality we need to start to accept that this is also not the way.
When ever we see an extrema (nihilism or eternity) with our intellect we can relay on saddha, remembering the told: neither this nor that and walk on. *smile*

Easy spoken or written, but who would keep us mindful if we would know it yet? *smile*

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Re: What happens to an Arhat after death?
« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2012, 12:52:18 am »
We can't let go of believes and ideas.

Why can't you?

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Re: What happens to an Arhat after death?
« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2012, 01:24:57 am »
How does it come to importance to raise such a question? *smile* Or did you like to express that you are already able. In that case  :jinsyx:
May your blossom have been above the surface of the water and not underneath. That could happen if we let go of the wrong things at the wrong time. But don't worry the fishes will nourish on it, so actually also an act of kindness.

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Re: What happens to an Arhat after death?
« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2012, 01:28:42 am »
How does it come to importance to raise such a question? *smile*
All that you can know is your own condition. Therefore I asked you. Perhaps I can be of help :)

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Re: What happens to an Arhat after death?
« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2012, 01:31:29 am »
You know your own condition? *smile* I guess that you would know mine as well.

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Re: What happens to an Arhat after death?
« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2012, 01:33:33 am »
You know your own condition? *smile* I guess that you would know mine as well.
I know mine. But I cannot transfer it to you

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Re: What happens to an Arhat after death?
« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2012, 01:40:09 am »
I am aware of that you might not be able to transfer this knowledge but that you know it need deep respect.  :jinsyx: :jinsyx: :jinsyx:

Or is it again time for your  :chill: ? *smile* You know the wise one often appears freaky crazy and manic for worldly man. Mostly we can identify them only on there different livelihood.

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Re: What happens to an Arhat after death?
« Reply #25 on: January 07, 2012, 01:59:33 am »
You know the wise one often appears freaky crazy and manic for worldly man. Mostly we can identify them only on there different livelihood.
Appearances are empty of appearances so you should abandon trying to identify what does not have identity.

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Re: What happens to an Arhat after death?
« Reply #26 on: January 07, 2012, 02:12:32 am »
Sure, as well free form the three attributes. *smile* The bad thing is that this bubbles are not unsupported and feed on others pain.  So till its really ones own its better to take a  :chill: It makes the awakening less painful even there is still some constant pain. That is the different between healing and symptom treatment to be able to wander on.

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Re: What happens to an Arhat after death?
« Reply #27 on: January 07, 2012, 02:27:55 am »
The bad thing is that this bubbles ....


The only bubbles are your thoughts




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Re: What happens to an Arhat after death?
« Reply #28 on: January 07, 2012, 02:33:53 am »
The bad thing is that this bubbles ....


The only bubbles are your thoughts




The TMingyur v. Hanzze tennis match is mildly entertaining, but could we please stay on topic.
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Re: What happens to an Arhat after death?
« Reply #29 on: January 07, 2012, 02:40:28 am »
The bad thing is that this bubbles ....


The only bubbles are your thoughts




The TMingyur v. Hanzze tennis match is mildly entertaining, but could we please stay on topic.
Thanks

Spiny


Well sorry. Hanzze saying that he can't let go of believes and ideas led to this.

But then ... this threads topic is just about that ... "believes and ideas" ... so I have made the only valid contribution already in the beginning of this thread   :)

http://www.freesangha.com/forums/theravada-buddhism/what-happens-to-an-arhat-after-death/msg47284/#msg47284

 


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