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Offline IdleChater

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What would happen ....
« on: February 15, 2018, 10:44:59 am »
I've often said that there's no reason why a Theravadin couldn't take Bodhisattva Vows and begin a Mahayana practice and remain a Theravedin.  I admit that is largely a Mahayana POV.  It also applies to a layperson.

I wonder though, what would happen with a Theravadin monastic if they did this?  Could they be punished or is that sort of thing permitted?

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« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2018, 08:10:59 am »
I have never heard or read anything which prevents a Theravadan Monk from taking bodhisattva vows. 

If you truly wish to discover if this was ever considered I would suggest researching your question here:

Buddhist Monastic Code:  https://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/thanissaro/bmc1.pdf

Vinaya Pitaka, The Basket of the Discipline:  https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/vin/index.html

However, I do remember reading a commentary regarding Sakyamuni Buddha consulting with an existing Buddha regarding this very issue as it applied to Sakyamuni Buddha personally when he was a bodhisattva.  The then existing Buddha used his all-seeing eye to determine if Sakyamuni had a shot at becoming a Buddha himself and determined that he would, which of course he did, else we wouldn't be having this conversation.   :wink1:
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Re: What would happen ....
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2018, 11:48:33 am »
walk the Theravada path long enough, and you will inevitably end up on the Mahayana.

just what way it is. doesn't matter what you call it. to repeat the age old adage: it's just another label.

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« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2018, 04:11:23 am »
The Theravada suttas clearly state all sentient beings will not attain Nibbana therefore the Mahayana Vows are impossible for a Theravada.

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« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2018, 06:48:10 am »
walk the Theravada path long enough, and you will inevitably end up on the Mahayana.

It was the other way round for me.   :wink1:
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« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2018, 04:23:48 pm »
perhaps you got sick of suffering endless cycles of voulantary suffering for the sake of others and went all "oh screw this, nirvana time for me this time, buddy!"  :lmfao:

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« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2018, 05:30:49 pm »
walk the Theravada path long enough, and you will inevitably end up on the Mahayana.

It was the other way round for me.   :wink1:

Well, life isn't over, yet.  You may still be drawn back to "the dark side".  Life is full of surprises.  Kind of like meeting a nice gal in a bar, who you take home, only to discover "she" is a "he" .  SURPRISE!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2018, 01:52:39 am »
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« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2018, 02:42:34 am »
perhaps you got sick of suffering endless cycles of voulantary suffering for the sake of others and went all "oh screw this, nirvana time for me this time, buddy!"  :lmfao:

I got sick of Mahayana being obsessed with size, and Vajrayana being obsessed with speed.  Not to mention all those dodgy lamas!   :wink1:
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« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2018, 02:51:26 am »
Kind of like meeting a nice gal in a bar, who you take home, only to discover "she" is a "he" .  SURPRISE!!!!!!!!

It sounds like you have an interesting life.   :teehee:
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« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2018, 03:38:39 am »
Kind of like meeting a nice gal in a bar, who you take home, only to discover "she" is a "he" .  SURPRISE!!!!!!!!

It sounds like you have an interesting life.   :teehee:

Never a dull moment!

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« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2018, 03:42:32 am »
perhaps you got sick of suffering endless cycles of voulantary suffering for the sake of others and went all "oh screw this, nirvana time for me this time, buddy!"  :lmfao:

I got sick of Mahayana being obsessed with size, and Vajrayana being obsessed with speed.  Not to mention all those dodgy lamas!   :wink1:

So I guess it's safe to say, that Mahayana wasn't exactly your dish of Sherbert, eh?  Whatever.  Like I said earlier, life ain't over yet, and things change.   ;D

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« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2018, 03:56:32 am »
The main reason I was asking the question in the OP was, because in religious organizations, policy isn't always a "scriptural" thing.  A case in point is Ajahn Brahm  who was excommunicated/expelled/shown the door by his monastic superiors becase he ordained a group of nuns.

I don't read anything particularly wrong with what Brahm did.  In the context of modern sensibilities, I applaud it.  However it was obviously a break with authority and deemed heinous enough to merit expulsion.  I don't see a scriptural basis for that, but there you have it.

Okay, then, what if a Theravadin monk were to take Bodhisattva vows?  Would this also be considered actionable like Brahm's.  It is, after all, a nod to a path often thought heretical in certain Theravadin circles.  I don't see anything scritural that would prohibit the taking of certain vows, but you never know.

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« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2018, 02:18:16 am »
I've often said that there's no reason why a Theravadin couldn't take Bodhisattva Vows and begin a Mahayana practice and remain a Theravedin.  I admit that is largely a Mahayana POV.  It also applies to a layperson.

I wonder though, what would happen with a Theravadin monastic if they did this?  Could they be punished or is that sort of thing permitted?
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Re: What would happen ....
« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2018, 02:22:09 am »
Like I said earlier, life ain't over yet, and things change.   ;D

So you might convert to Roman Catholicism?   :teehee:
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