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Title: Without any Beginning..
Post by: samahita on May 02, 2014, 03:19:55 pm

The Samsaric Cycle has No first Beginning...


The Blessed Buddha once explained the round of existence as this:
No first beginning of ignorance can be perceived, bhikkhus, before
which there was no ignorance, and after which ignorance had emerged.
Nevertheless ignorance has its specific causal conditions:
When there is mental fermentation, ignorance also comes into being.
When the 5 mental hindrances are present, ignorance grows & expands.
AN V 113, MN I 54

No first beginning of craving for becoming can ever be perceived,
before which there was no craving for becoming, and after which
craving for becoming had emerged.
Nevertheless craving for becoming has its specific causal condition:
When there is ignorance of the 4 truths, craving for becoming arises.
AN V 116

But why does the Blessed One give this exposition of the round with
those two things as starting points? Because they are the outstanding
causes of kammic action that leads to the happy and unhappy destinies!
Ignorance is prime cause of behaviour, that results in any unhappy destiny.
Vism 525

Naturally: In no cyclic process can a beginning ever be pointed out...
Why not? There is neither beginning nor end of a fully closed circle!
For explanation of this wheel of becoming click here: (

More on these prime causes of the round (vatta) of being: ( ( ( ( (


Without any Beginning..

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Title: Re: Without any Beginning..
Post by: isseilookup on May 08, 2014, 01:19:02 pm
Hey can you chat? I like to talk about Buddhism and how it can help me open my mind and really live.

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Title: Re: Without any Beginning..
Post by: dhammaseeker51 on May 08, 2014, 02:25:39 pm
Bhikku Samahita,
I was walking today, and almost stepped on a snail. I picked it up and put it in someones garden (I am sure they were pleased!) where it would be safe,  but it started a chain of thought..
Ignorance leads to rebirth, to suffering and eventual death.  But were we all to become enlightened there would be no more rebirth on earth and the planet would eventually become lifeless, as life is interdependent ... so ignorance not only leads to death, but to life as well.. is this a paradox?
Since ignorance is fostered by Mara, so is life since rebirth depends on it.  I am minded of the saying in the Christian Bible that the Earth is satans (Maras)
Please forgive these ramblings if they make absolute nonsense!

with Metta
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