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Dugpas and a portion of a Dalai Lama Interview
« on: July 19, 2017, 02:07:11 pm »
"It was our duty to uphold the truth as we knew it even in the company of people whose selfishness and short-sightedness prevented them from seeing it. We must always attempt to do this as the mind of man was mutable and the soul of man was unpredictable. We never could say in advance when a person might respond to a genuinely moral and spiritual appeal, based upon personal sacrifice and a clear formulation of the truth as we understand it. However, we must recognize that there were people conditioned to regard themselves and to behave simply as animals, who showed no recognition of truth or the moral law or any of the fundamental decencies of politics and of humanity. When such men were  ruthlessly opposed to our non-violent efforts, we must be ready to realize, and have the courage to see, that to persist in them would be a form of self-murder.

Then I turned to him and asked him whether he was referring to the Dugpas, to sorcerers and to ‘soulless men.’ When I said this, his interpreter could not translate it because the word ‘Dugpa’ has two senses. Literally, it refers to an inhabitant of Bhutan, and using that meaning his interpreter could not make sense of what I was saying. There is another meaning to the word, meaning an evil being, or even a sorcerer, and to my surprise this seemed to be unfamiliar to the interpreter. But the Dalai Lama showed that he understood exactly what I had in mind. The Dalai Lama hinted at an important point which was understood by Spinoza in Europe but which is often ignored. There is no real distinction in the long run between the true self-interest of a person and an unpleasant duty. There were unfortunately people who persisted in doing things which were going to harm them above all as well as others. He spoke with quiet compassion about these ignorant though cunning evil-doers. It would be most wrong for us, he implied, to condemn them or to dismiss them out of the horizon of our sympathy, as they did more harm to themselves than to other human beings, although they could not see it. Sometimes people were able to see the truth but through selfishness they could not apply it. There were also people who were utterly misguided in their view of what was in their own interest. If only they could know, if only they were not so short-sighted through their own desperation and through their own false concepts, they would see more clearly what was in their interest and that this could not be so very different for different peoples. In all conflicts the combatants ought to realize that their ultimate interests were the same, but this was exactly what was so difficult. Therefore, it was always the people who could stand outside a violent conflict in any part of the world to-day, who, by their awareness of this ultimate identity of interests between both sides in terms of their common survival and in relation to the whole of humanity, could be an active force for good. They could act as a check on the recurrent and ever-increasing nature of evil, generated by folly, selfishness and above all short-sightedness. "

http://www.katinkahesselink.net/his/dugpa-drugpa-blavatsky.html

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Re: Dugpas and a portion of a Dalai Lama Interview
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2017, 06:44:06 pm »
Dear The Artis Magistra

I read on the internet the Dalai Lama was paid US$180,000 each year for many years by the CIA, who I think are the greatest evil murderers. Is this a lie or conspiracy theory? How could Dalai Lama do this?

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No mere spiritual leader, he was the head of Tibet's government when he went into exile in 1959. It was a state apparatus run by aristocratic, nepotistic monks that collected taxes, jailed and tortured dissenters and engaged in all the usual political intrigues. (The Dalai Lama's own father was almost certainly murdered in 1946, the consequence of a coup plot.)

The government set up in exile in India and, at least until the 1970s, received $US1.7 million a year from the CIA.

The money was to pay for guerilla operations against the Chinese, notwithstanding the Dalai Lama's public stance in support of non-violence, for which he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1989.

The Dalai Lama himself was on the CIA's payroll from the late 1950s until 1974, reportedly receiving $US15,000 a month ($US180,000 a year).

The funds were paid to him personally, but he used all or most of them for Tibetan government-in-exile activities, principally to fund offices in New York and Geneva, and to lobby internationally.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/business/behind-dalai-lamas-holy-cloak/2007/05/22/1179601410290.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_Tibetan_program





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Re: Dugpas and a portion of a Dalai Lama Interview
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2017, 08:11:54 pm »
I think the Dalai Lama likely took the money from the murderers, and invested it into whatever various causes he thinks are important or whatever.

Now if a murderer wanted to give me "dirty money", I might say "no thank you". The Dalai Lama will face whatever, and I will face whatever.

Is it wrong to take money from killers with an agenda? Probably, yes, but my concern is mainly with my spiritual well-being, and I don't want to make some sort of error or put myself into grave danger by dealing with murderers and killers and their possible games and agendas.

In doing so, I might not be the famous Dalai Lama who has due to his fame and prestige been able to say many things which have inspired people.

If the Dalai Lama is punished or not for these things is not really known to me or my concern, but you and I are at least pretty determined not to play with murderers and take money from murderers. That is what is important really, what we do.

What the Dalai Lama ends up thinking before he goes to sleep, would be his concern and knowledge. For us, it is just a story to consider, another option put before us, something to think about and meditate about and then resolve, knowing also that there may be circumstances where we might find it best to take money from murderers potentially to save ourselves or our loved ones. Lots of things to think about, but more importantly, lots of things to learn and lots of nice things to think and do too.

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Re: Dugpas and a portion of a Dalai Lama Interview
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2017, 10:23:46 pm »
For us, it is just a story to consider, another option put before us, something to think about and meditate about and then resolve, knowing also that there may be circumstances where we might find it best to take money from murderers potentially to save ourselves or our loved ones.

So you are saying we should follow the example of the Dalai Lama because Dalai Lama is infallible and in his relationship with the CIA & US govt was not a cause for Chinese paranoia and military harm against Tibetan people because Dalai Lama's loved ones were in India & in the West with him, using all of the gold he smuggled out of Tibet.

So if I make investments on the USA stock market in military corporations who sell arms to Saudi Arabia, who give those arms to ISIS to murder Libyans, Syrians, Iraqui & Yemeni, that is OK because I use the profits from those investments to help my loved ones; like Jesus said: "Despite how evil you are, you still know how to do good things for your children!".

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Re: Dugpas and a portion of a Dalai Lama Interview
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2017, 02:13:41 am »
For us, it is just a story to consider, another option put before us, something to think about and meditate about and then resolve, knowing also that there may be circumstances where we might find it best to take money from murderers potentially to save ourselves or our loved ones.

So you are saying we should follow the example of the Dalai Lama because Dalai Lama is infallible and in his relationship with the CIA & US govt was not a cause for Chinese paranoia and military harm against Tibetan people because Dalai Lama's loved ones were in India & in the West with him, using all of the gold he smuggled out of Tibet.

So if I make investments on the USA stock market in military corporations who sell arms to Saudi Arabia, who give those arms to ISIS to murder Libyans, Syrians, Iraqui & Yemeni, that is OK because I use the profits from those investments to help my loved ones; like Jesus said: "Despite how evil you are, you still know how to do good things for your children!".

 :lmfao:

No, that is pretty different from what I was saying. I don't think it is good to take money from murderers. I don't know the story or the circumstances or any of it, and the Dalai Lama is accountable for himself for whatever sins he may have committed. I do not consider the Dalai Lama infallible, he is just a person like any person, but our focus should be mainly within our range of concern and apparent control.
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