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Helpful tips?
« on: January 13, 2010, 12:17:37 pm »
After giving it a lot of thought I've decided to take the plunge. So, I was hoping that some of our more experienced vegetarian members might be able to offer some advice or tips on making the transition. It would be nice to hear about others' experiences and common pitfalls.
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Re: Helpful tips?
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2010, 08:11:31 pm »
Everything I learned about nutrition was a giant fabricated conspiracy lie. I say that only because well meaning friends will tell you, "This-or-That diet is not healthy! You need This-or-That nutrient to be healthy!" Experiment, and see what YOUR body needs. Best of luck.

As a PS- I was a vegetarian for 5 years, and then went back to meat eating ways. I have decided to return to vegetarianism, but... I have set 3 different dates to make the change, and then backtracked each time. Tomorrow will be my 4th attempt to start, so you and I can make this journey together.

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Re: Helpful tips?
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2010, 09:02:59 am »
Tomorrow will be my 4th attempt to start, so you and I can make this journey together.

Sounds good! I was meat free from the 1st and then yesterday I had a a veggie wrap that had caesar dressing on it... I never knew it had anchovies in it!  :eek:
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Re: Helpful tips?
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2010, 09:51:28 am »
Killing an animal  for food when plenty of vegetable food is available may or may not be religious But it certainly is moderately idiotic and rude.

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« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2010, 11:06:42 am »
I am vegan, but my first question is, why do you feel the need to "take the plunge"?  I quite often see people go veggie for the wrong reasons and have quite a bit difficulty with it.  I chose a vegan diet primarily because of it's health benefits, and the reduction of harm to the environment.  While concern for the welfare of animals factors in as well, I find people who place that as their primary reason fall into one of two (sometimes both) traps.  (1) Getting disenchanted and giving up, because the initial emotional energy that led them the decision subsides, and/or (2) Becoming insufferably self righteous, thereby increasing suffering not only for others, but themselves.

So many people seem to see vegetarianism as some sort of sacrifice.  For me, it is a joy.  I feel better physically, mentally and emotionally.  As long as one sees only sacrifice in their decision, it will be a challenge to maintain.

I look at eating and food preparation as part of my spiritual practice.  To that end, two quotes direct me.  (1) "Are you going to eat to live, or live to eat." - Mahatma Gandhi and (2) "72 labors brought us this food.  We should know how it comes to us." - Opening lines of Zen meal gatha.

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Re: Helpful tips?
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2010, 11:55:37 am »
Hi Mukunda! Sorry I didn't see your reply earlier.

I am vegan, but my first question is, why do you feel the need to "take the plunge"? ......... (2) Becoming insufferably self righteous, thereby increasing suffering not only for others, but themselves.

Oh..it's definitely #2   :teehee:

No, in all honesty I haven't eaten red meat or pork since 94. And the only reason I continued to eat chicken (and a little fish) was it was the only meat that I could actually stomach. It also allowed me to escape a lot of hassle in social situations. In reality I was just being lazy, I just don't like the taste of meat.

A little update... It's been much easier than I thought. Since I didn't eat that much meat to begin with. I just need to take sometime now and learn some new recipes!   ;D

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« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2010, 09:14:17 am »
After careful consideration, I have decided to switch my diet to vegetarian. I have slowly weeded out eating red meat for about a year now, and as of today I am now meat-free. I decided solely due to my health concerns, and because of the cruelty of the read meat industry. I know that a vegetarian isnt "suffering-free", but would overall make me a healthier person, the healthier I am, the longer I can practice.  :anjali:
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« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2010, 09:55:22 am »
Just noticed this thread. in the past year I tried once but failed. Any tips would be welcome.
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« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2010, 11:30:18 am »
I've been vegetarian for some years now, but only insofar as I don't buy meat. I will eat it if given to me in a meal.
I justify this as my not contributing to killing or supporting the meat industry, in my own logic. (some might say twisted!)
I tried going vegan, but, sad to say it didn't last. I found I was too limited and not really enjoying a lot of my food.
However I do try to limit the suffering involved. Like many, I eat only freerange eggs, I use a little cowsmilk, but very little, substituting soya where I can and using very little cheese or other animal products.
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« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2010, 10:55:15 am »
Been a little over a week now since my switch. My body absolutely hates me. I feel the urge to eat things That I normally don't eat. Ribs, pork etc

How long does it usually take before the "Cravings" go away. I know i am strong enough to not give in to them, but would be interested to know when they will pass..... as all things do.  :namaste:
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« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2010, 11:34:50 am »
Vegetarian diets may lack some nutrients, as do most diets - I know of nobody who eats the perfect balance of nutrients. Some Indians have a tradition of vegetarianism streatching back hundreds of years, and seem to have thrived on it.  Vegetarians do not as a matter of curse lack 'essential' nutrients, but depending on how you approach it you may need supplements, especially if pregnant or .

For protein in particular you need to have variety - beans, lentils, quorn, tofu, soya.  Too much of any one may upset your system - and those around you. LOL :)

You can add eggs, cheese and milk and still be vegetarian, but I changed because of welfare considerations and have no faith in these products.

I take a multivitamin (with iron) tablet and glucosamine (vegetarian) which helps my osteoarthritic joints.

There is enormous variety available in preparation which make sthe diet anything but boring - especially if you love Indian food, for example.

If you are serious about avoiding meat, poultry & fish products, read labels carefully.  Worcester sauce ,for example, is another product containing anchovies.  Food manufacturers are pretty casual about slapping a 'suitable for vegetarians' label on things.  For example, some think vegetarians eat fish.  You'd think the clue was in the name.

Also read the leaflets which come with any medication or diet supplements.  'Whey' protein drinks, for example, often have 'bovine' protein added.   Any capsules may have a gelatin shell.  Even more inexplicably, tablets may have gelatin in them.  Why go on about gelatin - well, products now use beef gelatin again - remember BSE?

if you inadvertently consume meat, poultry or fish products, don't worry about that karma.  As with Jains, Buddhists need to have the intention to commit a harmful act for it to be completed.

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Oh, and don't listen to the meat eaters who tell you that the meat would be in the supermarket anyway, so you're not responsible for killing.  Simple marketing applies - if we do not create the demand, animals do not get killed.  More vegetarians should logically result in reduced demand and reduced killing. IMHO if you pick up that pork chop you are a direct beneficiary of killing and are effectively the cause of it.

The above is just my view, having worked in meat processing plants and seen the suffering first hand.
I'm not preaching at anyone else to change their view, but have many times been preached at by meat eaters at business events - maybe they felt guilty and I was reminding them of death, blood and guts when they tucked into a steak.

And yes, eating soya may lead to deforestation, but any consequent deaths are accidental or careless, so a less harmful type of killling than the butcher slitting the throat of the live pig.  Again, if that bothers you, avoid soya unless ethically supplied.  Ethically - 'organic' does not mean ethical.

I'm happy being responsible for the karma I perform, and the karma others perform on my behalf.   The butcher may be responsible for his own karma, but it is the meat eater who creates the causes and conditions for that person to kill. I'd rather not. ;)

I always disliked the taste as a kid, but if you miss the taste of meat, try Linda McCartney products.

That's my advice about going vegetarian - others may offer different advice, and  the thread is for that, not for the usual 'Buddha ate meat' or 'meat is OK if it wasn't killed especially for you'  arguments. I live in hope. :)


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« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2011, 03:40:12 am »
If done correctly, all the necessary nutrients, minerals and proteins can be found in a vegetarian diet. I have been vegetarian since I was diagnosed with heart disease, and followed a low-fat no cholesterol program devised by Dr. Dean Ornish, which will, in the fullness of time, reverse the effects of the disease without the need for invasive surgery. our body has the means to manufacture the right amino acid chains to make proteins and the vitamins we need, provided we stick to a simple food combination. The building blocks for these proteins are found in beans, grains and dairy produce (Or soy substitute, if you are Vegan.), and to ensure the body has the right combination of nutrients, all we need to do is combine just two of these in our main meal.
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« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2011, 01:31:58 am »
And yes, eating soya may lead to deforestation, but any consequent deaths are accidental or careless, so a less harmful type of killling than the butcher slitting the throat of the live pig. 

People in favour of meat-eating often make the argument that just eating grains and pulses still leads to lots of insects dying.  However this is a false argument because those those insects would die either way, as the grain and pulses would still be needed to feed the cows, pigs etc. 
And of course you can feed something like three times as many people with the grain and pulses directly as you could by feeding the grain and pulses to animals and people then eating the animals.

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« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2011, 05:57:16 am »
It's the wholesale slaughter of the animals, the ruthless efficient industry of killing which turns me against meat eating.
They are bred and forced to live in often horrific conditions and slaughtered in a merciless environment, where their life force is not even recognised, processed like an inorganic commodity.
I don't understand how anyone who is aware of the process can condone and support it, it's barbaric.

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« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2011, 06:08:12 am »
I don't understand how anyone who is aware of the process can condone and support it, it's barbaric.

I don't either.  But some Buddhists argue that the animal they eat has not been specifically killed for them so they are not breaking the traditional 3-fold rule. 

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