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« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2011, 11:48:19 pm »
Very simple, I just can look at my own intention. *smile* and remember other's that effects are just form their own intention. But there are many who have a not so simple brain I guess, full with juggler ethics well developed by complex thinking.

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« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2011, 11:50:54 pm »
Very simple, I just can look at my own intention.

Wow .... what in insight ... what if you considered this insight when posting? :)

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« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2011, 11:55:24 pm »
Well their are so many confused Bodhisattva reminders. On what does one think unsupported by "I" "we" "you" when going for buying food? What might be the intention to buy this or that food? *smile* Tell me the supported unsupported way a modern practice has developed to come across this.

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« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2011, 11:57:05 pm »
Well their are so many confused Bodhisattva reminders. On what does one think unsupported by "I" "we" "you" when going for buying food?

Buying is no different from begging in this regard.

So you prefer starving?

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« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2011, 11:59:35 pm »
What might be the intention to buy this or that food? *smile*
Avoid causing harm that doesn't necessarily have to be caused.

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« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2011, 12:04:29 am »
Well their are so many confused Bodhisattva reminders. On what does one think unsupported by "I" "we" "you" when going for buying food?

Buying is no different from begging in this regard.

So you prefer starving?

Begging is the normal result form past deeds and does not lead to a better situation but the one or other might care some things out in this way. For sure it would give many a possibility to make Dana or just cleaning as compensation the conscience.

There are many, having been in the forest before who beg now, so much self produced possibility for paramis.

There was no begging suggested for people by the Buddha. *smile* Not in the way as a normal deal (merits for food exchange) but a different deal, support with food in exchange to abstain from harming.

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« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2011, 12:07:04 am »
What might be the intention to buy this or that food? *smile*
Avoid causing harm that doesn't necessarily have to be caused.
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So in which way you avoid harming by the intention to buy plant food? You do you care your self for it in your garden with best intention? *smile*

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« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2011, 12:10:06 am »
For sure it would give many a possibility to make Dana or just cleaning as compensation the conscience.

You could give it a try and post your bank account :lmfao:

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« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2011, 12:13:26 am »
For sure it would give many a possibility to make Dana or just cleaning as compensation the conscience.

You could give it a try and post your bank account :lmfao:
Luckily/unluckily I can not serve with that. *smile* So no possibilities for compensations.

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« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2011, 12:17:29 am »
What might be the intention to buy this or that food? *smile*
Avoid causing harm that doesn't necessarily have to be caused.
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So in which way you avoid harming by the intention to buy plant food?
I renounce the taste of meat and avoid contributing to the slaughter of animals, to the need to cultivate enormous amounts of soya to feed animals held for production of meat and avoid to contribute to the need for others to accumulate the karma of killing.
This is just a matter of my own intention. I cannot even say that harm is being reduced through this. It is just that if I did otherwise I would act against what I know due to mere attachment to taste.


You do you care your self for it in your garden with best intention? *smile*
I have no garden.

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« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2011, 12:18:58 am »
For sure it would give many a possibility to make Dana or just cleaning as compensation the conscience.

You could give it a try and post your bank account :lmfao:
Luckily/unluckily I can not serve with that. *smile* So no possibilities for compensations.

Because you have no account and you need none because you let others do the work for you.

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« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2011, 12:26:33 am »
What might be the intention to buy this or that food? *smile*
Avoid causing harm that doesn't necessarily have to be caused.
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So in which way you avoid harming by the intention to buy plant food?
I renounce the taste of meat and avoid contributing to the slaughter of animals, to the need to cultivate enormous amounts of soya to feed animals held for production of meat and avoid to contribute to the need for others to accumulate the karma of killing.
This is just a matter of my own intention. I cannot even say that harm is being reduced through this. It is just that if I did otherwise I would act against what I know due to mere attachment to taste.
You know that an intention to buy meat causes harming and you honesty like to tell me that a intention to buy vegetable do not have similar effects?
So would somebody renounce for the taste of good food in the way he looks for alternatives which are pleasant?

You do you care your self for it in your garden with best intention? *smile*
I have no garden.
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To grow his food by one self and look for one self what happens is a good possibility to understand Samsara. If anybody has the possibility to change his livelihood to a more honest way, one would decide well and it would cause that one can enjoy what he had done with best intention if one is not able to make the next step.
But that are just personal advices. Step by step.

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« Reply #27 on: December 01, 2011, 12:28:43 am »
For sure it would give many a possibility to make Dana or just cleaning as compensation the conscience.

You could give it a try and post your bank account :lmfao:
Luckily/unluckily I can not serve with that. *smile* So no possibilities for compensations.

Because you have no account and you need none because you let others do the work for you.
Those parasite, this people try following the Dhamma. I had mention it. They like to have fun and don't work for it. *smile* Some even order food.

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« Reply #28 on: December 01, 2011, 12:31:41 am »
You know that an intention to buy meat causes harming and you honesty like to tell me that a intention to buy vegetable do not have similar effects?
Yes, vegetable are no living beings


So would somebody renounce for the taste of good food in the way he looks for alternatives which are pleasant?
I just nuture my body.


To grow his food by one self and look for one self what happens is a good possibility to understand Samsara.
So I hope you are doing so and not have others do the job for you.

If anybody has the possibility to change his livelihood to a more honest way,
I would not consider it to be honest to have others do the work for oneself.


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« Reply #29 on: December 01, 2011, 12:54:00 am »
You know that an intention to buy meat causes harming and you honesty like to tell me that a intention to buy vegetable do not have similar effects?

Yes, vegetable are no living beings

Yes, yes I know... like told by the Buddha but even somebody is in that delusion or maybe thinks that if they are beings they are not that important and worthy to kill, do you think that your soya do not cost thousands of beings to be killed?
I know the argumentation of the meat buyer: "That meat is already death and so I do not cause death" unluckily the vegetable buyer have the same idea: "I only like the vegetable, my intention is not to kill animals for having it"

So would somebody renounce for the taste of good food in the way he looks for alternatives which are pleasant?

I just nuture my body.

Doing just that one would not have the intention to buy this or that. You might take that what is next or given, but not looking for something which could be unsupported by "I" "we" and "your" better for "I" "we" and "you". *smile*

To grow his food by one self and look for one self what happens is a good possibility to understand Samsara.

So I hope you are doing so and not have others do the job for you.

I did, yes I did. I could not see a reason why I should harm others so I also stopped this. Before I thought it would be a honest alternative, after I saw that vegetarian life is not very honest as the seek for pleasure (and the reason for suffering, grasping) would not calm down in this way of "free" choice regarding "non-living" beings which taking does not cause harm.

If anybody has the possibility to change his livelihood to a more honest way,

I would not consider it to be honest to have others let the word do for onesef.

The for one self might be the problem in this consideration. Other would not work for you. They would share what they have to much if you come across unexpected. Such a thought would be indite not good.
Thinking of what one normally takes to support the "I" the received food in balance what people would take normally is very less. To keep his body alive takes really less energy in contrast liking to be the good man. So such Buddha follower parasites are actually really silly they take just what is given and the "I am the good one, the doer, the helper" would even criticism him. And you know what, some even would take that burden for the sake of other and one self and the next generations. *smile*

 


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