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Re: Veggie Burgers/Meat subsitutes
« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2010, 07:32:23 am »
Ron,

Try nutritional yeast in lieu of chicken boullion.  I understand it is deemed acceptable by vegans.  It is also high in the B vitamins that are lacking in a vegan diet.

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« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2010, 10:41:47 am »
The thing with the yeast is to cook it in the food.  I once took a vegans friends advice (I am lacto-ovo myself) and sprinkled bakers yeast on pasta instead of cheese (didn't have access to all that new fangled noootrichinol yeast stuff), tasted great but gave me fresh bread tasting really gaseous burps for a couple of hours!
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« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2010, 07:03:14 pm »
Hahaha!  No, Greg, you can eat the nutritional yeast right out of the jar!  No adverse side effects!  *chuckle*
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Re: Veggie Burgers/Meat subsitutes
« Reply #18 on: May 20, 2010, 07:13:02 am »
Here in SA we get a product called Fry's (could very well be available everywhere) that is so close to the taste of real meat that I have managed to catch out quite a few of my more "traditional" barbeque loving friends and family.

They have everything from hot dogs to hamburger patties to mince etc. (drool). And it tastes really good.  :twocents:

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Re: Veggie Burgers/Meat subsitutes
« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2010, 03:53:24 am »
Always been fine with TVP, Tempeh, and Tofu.

mash the tempe and mix it's with egg ( give a salt, seaweed and other spice if you like )and put in the can boild it or steam it viola you have burger tempe meat in raw.

 
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Re: Veggie Burgers/Meat subsitutes
« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2010, 10:15:37 am »
Hi Matt,  I eat these various types of 'meat substitutes' sometimes. I've been a vegetarian for 40 years. However they're expensive and full of additives. They are great when you are transitioning to vegetarianism but relying on them for your protein will restrict the health benefits of becoming vegetarian.  Most people on the planet use small amounts of meat to flavor the rest of the real meal as they can't afford huge quantities of meat. Emulate them. (or pig out on bean burritos).

You can transition yourself to eating more healthy food by making a big pot of brown rice and eating a cup or so of it per meal, adding in a couple veggie dishes and adding a some tofu or beans (or in a pinch robo-food: fake chicken strips, etc, etc).  Your body will adjust and start to crave home made beanburgers, which you can make in about 5 minutes (open can, drain, mash, add flavorings: salt, garlic, onion powder, etc, etc etc, mash or blend, fry or bake).

The trouble with vegan pizza and a lot of western processed food, vegetarian or not, are its usually still high in fat , bad quality carbos, and not all that much better for you.

I recently went on a weight loss program designed to correct the problems causing me to hold weight (in the Chinese medical system). It was totally designed around veggies that were low carbo.  You also ate lots of toasted walnuts and yes, you could have some tofu. I thought I'd be protein starved, but I was not. Furthermore my body doesn't want all those heavy carbs. After pigging out on some spagetti  my tummie complained -- too heavy. You can live on 90% vegetables but it's hard to make them look like western food.

People who have problems with yeast (that's most westerners) will not be able to consume a lot of nutritional yeast without getting sick. See alternative doctor for treatment of candida if this occurs. (It makes me sick if I eat much of it). It is not a good primary source of veggie protein. Beans and nuts are.

However I do love some of those Morningstar Barbequed riblets once in a while.  Their Italian sausage is also great. I've learned to make good vegan sausage. You can freeze most of it and then thaw it out as needed.  Still, it's fast and easy. Buy seasonings at local Italian market.

The whole point of many of these meat subs like tvp is that they are very bland.  YOU supply the tastes. So they're versatile. I made some good tofu yesterday by slicing the brick rather thinly and placing in a large sheet, pouring on good quality soysauce and a little dark sesame oil, then baking in oven for half hour. Very flavorful. Very simple.  (very hard to train western body to like, sometimes <grin>). Got lots of cookbooks full of complicated recipes, but this is the best.

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Re: Veggie Burgers/Meat subsitutes
« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2010, 01:05:52 pm »
Hey LM, welcome to the board!

Maybe you can help me with a question.

I've considered become a vegetarian, off and on, for some years now, but have never committed to it.

Not long ago I went on a 5-day retreat at a center where they served only vegetarian fare.  The food wasn't bad at all, but my body's reaction to that kind of diet was unexpected and pretty intense.


For a couple days in a row, they served dishes with lots of legumes - beans, peas, etc..  It was very tasty, as I said, but the dishes tore by GI tract to shreads - lots of gas, hyper-regularity and so on.  The gas was bad enough that it caused some discomfort and had me worried they might ask me to leave (because of noise/smell/etc.).

Is this sort of thing common?  I mean an omnivore suddenly thrown into a purely vegetarian environment experiencing such distress?  Does it get better? 

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« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2010, 07:34:15 am »
Unfortunately much of the tofu on the market is from genetically engineered soy beans owned by nasty petrochemical/industrial/agri giant corporations.
Buy certified organic non-ge tofu and soy!
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Re: Veggie Burgers/Meat subsitutes
« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2011, 02:10:34 pm »
Since I do most of the cooking around our house, I would like to revive this thread.  Suggest we begin with a fundamental meal recommendation:

Mixed Rice & Legumes Meal

Ingredients

I blend together several different types of rice in appropriate proportions to make the rice itself look interesting:

0.4 Cup Brown Rice
0.4 Cup White Long Grain Rice.
0.2 Cup Long Grain Wild Rice
1 tbs Vegetable Base
1 tbs Salt
1 tbs Basil
1 tbs Parcely
1 small can sliced mushrooms
1/4 cup Vegetable Oil
2 1/4 cups of Water

Process

I usually purchase the rices in bulk, mix them up in the appropriate proportions, and store them in a dry, large container.  You can add dry ingrediets to this mix if you like, but I prefer to add them just before cooking.

In a pan/pot with lid sufficiently large enough to contain the ingredients by volume add veg. oil, and veg. base, salt, basil, and parsely.

Mix ingredients to form a slurry on the base of the pan, and then add rices.  Mix to coat rice with oily slurry, and turn on heat to high.

Immediately add water and mix, till combination begins to boil.

Turn heat down to simmer and cover.

Let simmer for thirty to thirty-five minutes.

Legumes

I like to use a mixture of dried beans, or you can use any beans you like right out of the can.  Heat up or prepare the beans according to the package instructions.  When cooked to perfection, combine them with the rice previously prepared and you will have a meal which meets all of your daily requirements for essential nucleic acids and carbs.

I also like to add some Vietnamese Hot Sauce to taste and tolerance.  My favorite is the one with the Rooster on the Bottle which you can find in any grocery store, or Asian food store.
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Re: Veggie Burgers/Meat subsitutes
« Reply #24 on: December 08, 2011, 12:29:45 pm »
Pea Soup Recipe

Ingredients

2 cups (1 lb) of dried split peas
1 tbs vegetable base
1/2 cup dried onion
1/4 cup garlic powder
1 cup chopped celery
1 cup chopped carrots
1 tbs salt
1 tbs pepper
1 bay leaf
1/4 tsp. tyme
2 quarts water

Parsely garnish

Process

Place water into pot of sufficient volume
Prepare vegetables
Add spices and seasonings
Bring water to a boil
Add peas and boil at medium temperature till peas are soft
Pour entire cooked contents through a fine mesh food filter into a food blender.
Pour half of fluid back into pot.
Add filtered vegetables and seasonings into blender along with half of fluid
Blend to liquify.
Pour entire liquified contents of blender back into cooking pot.
Reheat to serving temperature (around 140 degrees F.)
Prepare individual servings.
Add garnish (Parsely)
Serve and enjoy.
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Re: Veggie Burgers/Meat subsitutes
« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2012, 11:34:55 pm »
Since moving to Manchester, I've discovered lots of specialist vegetarian and vegan shops with tons upon tons of meat substitutes and a wide range of different flavoured tofus. I've made it my New Year's Resolution to try all of them because the big supermarkets only seem to sell Quorn and Cauldron, which I find incredibly dry and tasteless.

I have a recipe for some delicious home-made falafel burgers at home so when I return, I will most definitely post it :)
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Re: Veggie Burgers/Meat subsitutes
« Reply #26 on: January 20, 2012, 03:51:16 am »
To seek for alternative pleasure, does only lead to alternative suffering. In some cases even to more. That does not match the message at all. *smile*
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« Reply #27 on: January 20, 2012, 11:49:27 pm »


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I've considered become a vegetarian, off and on, for some years now, but have never committed to it.


You will not eat your way to enlightenment.  :eek:
I once heard a talk by a senior lama in which he described the animals that are displaced in agriculture, the insects and other animals that are killed by ploughing and crop protection. It may involve more suffering and death than eating for example free range woodland eggs (expensive but in the UK they also plant tree environments for the chickens to browse in).
http://www.woodlandeggs.co.uk/

Existence is suffering and smug 'for religious reasons' vegetarians are insufferable. 
I am sure there are none here.

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Is this sort of thing common?  I mean an omnivore suddenly thrown into a purely vegetarian environment experiencing such distress?  Does it get better?


Of course. Just adapt slowly. Long term vogons [sic] and veggies have such compromised systems that they are unable to digest the rich nutrition of meat. Eat less meat. Ethically produced organic meat.
At some point in the future we will be growing meat without animals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_vitro_meat
Campaign and ask for that until it becomes available :grouphug:

One last story . . . on another forum I came across a dharma head case who insisted on eating only 3 peanut butter sandwiches per day, so he could concentrate on dispersing dharma to the less enlightened. :brick:
After a year he developed an allergy to peanuts (what a surprise). He had the good grace to ask others who had warned him of the consequences of fad diets to repeat his story as a warning to other omnivores . . . so I am passing it on . . .

Be mindful  :buddha:

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« Reply #28 on: January 21, 2012, 02:42:33 pm »
What Makes an Elder? :
A head of gray hairs doesn't mean one's an elder. Advanced in years, one's called an old fool.
But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.
-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.

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Re: Veggie Burgers/Meat subsitutes
« Reply #29 on: January 22, 2012, 07:52:31 pm »
Some of us like to wear orange saris or be vegetarians.
If we confuse life style choices and attachments to them,
how are we to find the middle way?
http://www.urbandharma.org/udharma3/meat.html

Eat meat or don't
but don't have a cow man  :D

 


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