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Title: Veggie Burgers/Meat subsitutes
Post by: Pema Dorje on May 12, 2010, 10:33:49 am
Anyone here a fan of the Boca Chik'n substitute? I really couldnt taste the difference between it and a real chicken patty. Plus it has over 10g of protein in one patty. They also make veggie burgers too! Anyone else here eat meat substitutes?
Title: Re: Veggie Burgers/Meat subsitutes
Post by: Monkey Mind on May 12, 2010, 11:03:28 am
I enjoy veggie burgers and garden burgers, but I don't think they taste anything like hamburgers and I don't think that is the point. I am blessed because here in Portland, homemade recipes for garden burgers are really chic right now, everyone has their own version of the garden burger. Lots of great variety.

When I first went veggie, I was really disappointed in fake meat products and almost lost my motivation. I had to do an overhaul with my attitude. I decided there are many vegetarian meals that I really enjoy, and if none of them tastes like meat that is okay.

I work across the street from Whole Foods, and often eat my lunches there. They have a fake chicken cutlet that is pretty promising... but most of the products I have tried were not enjoyable.
Title: Re: Veggie Burgers/Meat subsitutes
Post by: Yeshe Zopa on May 12, 2010, 11:14:08 am
I used to be quite happy that veggie protein did not taste like meat, as the taste alone used to remind me of the slaughter. That is illogical, as the veggie food has no connection with meat.

Now I'm less 'picky' and if it tastes good, I tell myself really shouldn't be treating a veggie sausage as an object of revulsion.

I do look for ethical sources, though.  Not much point, ethically, in buying soya that has been farmed after killing countless rainforest animals.

I usually fail to find evidence of an 'ethical' source, by the way, as here the country of 'origin' is the one performing the last manufacturing process on the food, so your food may say 'UK' but be sourced from anywhere.

We are so fortunate now in having soya, tofu, quorn etc.  When I started as a veggie I used to get served 'mushroom stroganoff' as a main course in restaurants with mind-numbing frequency.  Oh, and lasagne or cauliflower cheese.   LOL :)
Title: Re: Veggie Burgers/Meat subsitutes
Post by: zerwe on May 12, 2010, 06:26:12 pm
Always been fine with TVP, Tempeh, and Tofu.
Title: Re: Veggie Burgers/Meat subsitutes
Post by: Ngawang Drolma on May 12, 2010, 06:56:21 pm
I like Quorn for meat substitute  :)
Title: Re: Veggie Burgers/Meat subsitutes
Post by: Mani on May 12, 2010, 06:57:15 pm
I do find now that at least when I go to eat in a restaurant these days, many do offer a decent "veggie (or soy) burger".  I think that they've improved some. I don't eat as much soy products now as I think that they can be a little hard to digest sometimes. Veggie burgers and veggie dogs does give an option when attending a Barbeque though.

I've always enjoyed a good falafel though, even before I became a vegetarian.
Title: Re: Veggie Burgers/Meat subsitutes
Post by: pickledpitbull on May 12, 2010, 07:05:20 pm
I don't bother with meat substitutes.  Most of what you taste is seasoning, anyway.  That's why there are so many condiments on the shelves.

I have a few recipes for bean burgers, and a grain burger that's pretty darn tasty, too.  And they're cheaper than the stuff you find in the frozen section of the market.  I recommend you find a cookbook that has a couple different recipes so you can have a variety.

By far my favorite vegan cookbook is "La Dolce Vegan" by Sarah Kramer.  There are lots of tasty recipes that are easy to make and don't require that you stock your pantry with a bunch of stuff you'll only use once.  In addition, the recipes are ideal for two, so you don't have a lot of leftovers.  If you have kids, they're easy enough to double.

Bon Apetite!
Title: Re: Veggie Burgers/Meat subsitutes
Post by: Dairy Lama on May 13, 2010, 01:16:32 am
I like Quorn for meat substitute  :)

It's got great texture...<drool> :teehee:
Title: Re: Veggie Burgers/Meat subsitutes
Post by: Dairy Lama on May 13, 2010, 01:40:48 am
Always been fine with TVP, Tempeh, and Tofu.

They're OK, but to me they taste like cardboard and need lots of spicing up.

Spiny
Title: Re: Veggie Burgers/Meat subsitutes
Post by: Ron-the-Elder on May 13, 2010, 05:30:05 am
I personally like textured vegetable protein (TVP), which is available in most bulk food sections here in The U.S..  It can be combined with starches and organic binders, & even vegetables to make most anything.
Title: Re: Veggie Burgers/Meat subsitutes
Post by: Dairy Lama on May 13, 2010, 06:30:58 am
I personally like textured vegetable protein (TVP), which is available in most bulk food sections here in The U.S..  It can be conbined with starches and organic binders to make most anything.

That sounds like it involves complicated procedures like cooking.  I just want instant gratification. :teehee:

Spiny
Title: Re: Veggie Burgers/Meat subsitutes
Post by: dhammaseeker51 on May 13, 2010, 01:38:48 pm
Yes,
Quorn products are pretty good. Cheaper than meat too.
Takes a little experimentation to adapt recipes to suit.
I prefer Quorn chicken to dead chicken any time. Great in stir fries.

with Metta
Title: Re: Veggie Burgers/Meat subsitutes
Post by: zerwe on May 13, 2010, 05:52:48 pm
I personally like textured vegetable protein (TVP), which is available in most bulk food sections here in The U.S..  It can be combined with starches and organic binders, & even vegetables to make most anything.
TVP in Chili might just be better than beef to a meat eater. I have made a batch once and didn't tell anyone that it wasn't meat until after, and they were quite surprised.
Title: Re: Veggie Burgers/Meat subsitutes
Post by: Monkey Mind on May 13, 2010, 08:02:39 pm
TVP in Chili might just be better than beef to a meat eater. I have made a batch once and didn't tell anyone that it wasn't meat until after, and they were quite surprised.
Which, as far as pranks go, that is a heck of a lot less malevolent than the opposite. A coworker of mine, knowing that I was a strict vegetarian for religious reasons, offered me a Vietnamese dish he stated was noodles. Turned out it was tripe.
Title: Re: Veggie Burgers/Meat subsitutes
Post by: Ron-the-Elder on May 14, 2010, 05:08:54 am
I made pea soup (excellent!) one time for my poker group who are now mostly vegans and used a powdered chicken bullion, which I never thought about.  I figured it wouldn't matter.  Then during a discussion with the vegan group on e-Sangha I happened to mention it and was condemned to the nether-worlds.

Will never, ever, ever, ever, EVER!, make that mistake again.  Turned out none of the poker guys objected to my pizza made with cow's milk, but agreed with the vegan folks on e-Sangha. So, now I make pizza with veggie-cheese and all is well with the universe once again.  Well, except for e-Sangha.  They are now the ones in the nether-worlds of Chinese Objection.

May all beings be released from The Chinese Hell Reamls, especially our brothers and sisters in Tibet. :buddha2:
Title: Re: Veggie Burgers/Meat subsitutes
Post by: pickledpitbull on May 16, 2010, 07:32:23 am
Ron,

Try nutritional yeast in lieu of chicken boullion.  I understand it is deemed acceptable by vegans.  It is also high in the B vitamins that are lacking in a vegan diet.

Donna
Title: Re: Veggie Burgers/Meat subsitutes
Post by: gregkavarnos on May 16, 2010, 10:41:47 am
The thing with the yeast is to cook it in the food.  I once took a vegans friends advice (I am lacto-ovo myself) and sprinkled bakers yeast on pasta instead of cheese (didn't have access to all that new fangled noootrichinol yeast stuff), tasted great but gave me fresh bread tasting really gaseous burps for a couple of hours!
:namaste:
Title: Re: Veggie Burgers/Meat subsitutes
Post by: pickledpitbull on May 16, 2010, 07:03:14 pm
Hahaha!  No, Greg, you can eat the nutritional yeast right out of the jar!  No adverse side effects!  *chuckle*
Title: Re: Veggie Burgers/Meat subsitutes
Post by: mindyourmind on May 20, 2010, 07:13:02 am
Here in SA we get a product called Fry's (could very well be available everywhere) that is so close to the taste of real meat that I have managed to catch out quite a few of my more "traditional" barbeque loving friends and family.

They have everything from hot dogs to hamburger patties to mince etc. (drool). And it tastes really good.  :twocents:
Title: Re: Veggie Burgers/Meat subsitutes
Post by: daimond on June 13, 2010, 03:53:24 am
Always been fine with TVP, Tempeh, and Tofu.

mash the tempe and mix it's with egg ( give a salt, seaweed and other spice if you like )and put in the can boild it or steam it viola you have burger tempe meat in raw.

 
Title: Re: Veggie Burgers/Meat subsitutes
Post by: lmerle on November 19, 2010, 10:15:37 am
Hi Matt,  I eat these various types of 'meat substitutes' sometimes. I've been a vegetarian for 40 years. However they're expensive and full of additives. They are great when you are transitioning to vegetarianism but relying on them for your protein will restrict the health benefits of becoming vegetarian.  Most people on the planet use small amounts of meat to flavor the rest of the real meal as they can't afford huge quantities of meat. Emulate them. (or pig out on bean burritos).

You can transition yourself to eating more healthy food by making a big pot of brown rice and eating a cup or so of it per meal, adding in a couple veggie dishes and adding a some tofu or beans (or in a pinch robo-food: fake chicken strips, etc, etc).  Your body will adjust and start to crave home made beanburgers, which you can make in about 5 minutes (open can, drain, mash, add flavorings: salt, garlic, onion powder, etc, etc etc, mash or blend, fry or bake).

The trouble with vegan pizza and a lot of western processed food, vegetarian or not, are its usually still high in fat , bad quality carbos, and not all that much better for you.

I recently went on a weight loss program designed to correct the problems causing me to hold weight (in the Chinese medical system). It was totally designed around veggies that were low carbo.  You also ate lots of toasted walnuts and yes, you could have some tofu. I thought I'd be protein starved, but I was not. Furthermore my body doesn't want all those heavy carbs. After pigging out on some spagetti  my tummie complained -- too heavy. You can live on 90% vegetables but it's hard to make them look like western food.

People who have problems with yeast (that's most westerners) will not be able to consume a lot of nutritional yeast without getting sick. See alternative doctor for treatment of candida if this occurs. (It makes me sick if I eat much of it). It is not a good primary source of veggie protein. Beans and nuts are.

However I do love some of those Morningstar Barbequed riblets once in a while.  Their Italian sausage is also great. I've learned to make good vegan sausage. You can freeze most of it and then thaw it out as needed.  Still, it's fast and easy. Buy seasonings at local Italian market.

The whole point of many of these meat subs like tvp is that they are very bland.  YOU supply the tastes. So they're versatile. I made some good tofu yesterday by slicing the brick rather thinly and placing in a large sheet, pouring on good quality soysauce and a little dark sesame oil, then baking in oven for half hour. Very flavorful. Very simple.  (very hard to train western body to like, sometimes <grin>). Got lots of cookbooks full of complicated recipes, but this is the best.

LM
Title: Re: Veggie Burgers/Meat subsitutes
Post by: GoGet on November 19, 2010, 01:05:52 pm
Hey LM, welcome to the board!

Maybe you can help me with a question.

I've considered become a vegetarian, off and on, for some years now, but have never committed to it.

Not long ago I went on a 5-day retreat at a center where they served only vegetarian fare.  The food wasn't bad at all, but my body's reaction to that kind of diet was unexpected and pretty intense.


For a couple days in a row, they served dishes with lots of legumes - beans, peas, etc..  It was very tasty, as I said, but the dishes tore by GI tract to shreads - lots of gas, hyper-regularity and so on.  The gas was bad enough that it caused some discomfort and had me worried they might ask me to leave (because of noise/smell/etc.).

Is this sort of thing common?  I mean an omnivore suddenly thrown into a purely vegetarian environment experiencing such distress?  Does it get better? 
Title: Re: Veggie Burgers/Meat subsitutes
Post by: swampflower on November 20, 2010, 07:34:15 am
Unfortunately much of the tofu on the market is from genetically engineered soy beans owned by nasty petrochemical/industrial/agri giant corporations.
Buy certified organic non-ge tofu and soy!
Title: Re: Veggie Burgers/Meat subsitutes
Post by: Ron-the-Elder on December 07, 2011, 02:10:34 pm
Since I do most of the cooking around our house, I would like to revive this thread.  Suggest we begin with a fundamental meal recommendation:

Mixed Rice & Legumes Meal

Ingredients

I blend together several different types of rice in appropriate proportions to make the rice itself look interesting:

0.4 Cup Brown Rice
0.4 Cup White Long Grain Rice.
0.2 Cup Long Grain Wild Rice
1 tbs Vegetable Base
1 tbs Salt
1 tbs Basil
1 tbs Parcely
1 small can sliced mushrooms
1/4 cup Vegetable Oil
2 1/4 cups of Water

Process

I usually purchase the rices in bulk, mix them up in the appropriate proportions, and store them in a dry, large container.  You can add dry ingrediets to this mix if you like, but I prefer to add them just before cooking.

In a pan/pot with lid sufficiently large enough to contain the ingredients by volume add veg. oil, and veg. base, salt, basil, and parsely.

Mix ingredients to form a slurry on the base of the pan, and then add rices.  Mix to coat rice with oily slurry, and turn on heat to high.

Immediately add water and mix, till combination begins to boil.

Turn heat down to simmer and cover.

Let simmer for thirty to thirty-five minutes.

Legumes

I like to use a mixture of dried beans, or you can use any beans you like right out of the can.  Heat up or prepare the beans according to the package instructions.  When cooked to perfection, combine them with the rice previously prepared and you will have a meal which meets all of your daily requirements for essential nucleic acids and carbs.

I also like to add some Vietnamese Hot Sauce to taste and tolerance.  My favorite is the one with the Rooster on the Bottle which you can find in any grocery store, or Asian food store.
Title: Re: Veggie Burgers/Meat subsitutes
Post by: Ron-the-Elder on December 08, 2011, 12:29:45 pm
Pea Soup Recipe

Ingredients

2 cups (1 lb) of dried split peas
1 tbs vegetable base
1/2 cup dried onion
1/4 cup garlic powder
1 cup chopped celery
1 cup chopped carrots
1 tbs salt
1 tbs pepper
1 bay leaf
1/4 tsp. tyme
2 quarts water

Parsely garnish

Process

Place water into pot of sufficient volume
Prepare vegetables
Add spices and seasonings
Bring water to a boil
Add peas and boil at medium temperature till peas are soft
Pour entire cooked contents through a fine mesh food filter into a food blender.
Pour half of fluid back into pot.
Add filtered vegetables and seasonings into blender along with half of fluid
Blend to liquify.
Pour entire liquified contents of blender back into cooking pot.
Reheat to serving temperature (around 140 degrees F.)
Prepare individual servings.
Add garnish (Parsely)
Serve and enjoy.
Title: Re: Veggie Burgers/Meat subsitutes
Post by: JazzJazz on January 19, 2012, 11:34:55 pm
Since moving to Manchester, I've discovered lots of specialist vegetarian and vegan shops with tons upon tons of meat substitutes and a wide range of different flavoured tofus. I've made it my New Year's Resolution to try all of them because the big supermarkets only seem to sell Quorn and Cauldron, which I find incredibly dry and tasteless.

I have a recipe for some delicious home-made falafel burgers at home so when I return, I will most definitely post it :)
Title: Re: Veggie Burgers/Meat subsitutes
Post by: Hanzze on January 20, 2012, 03:51:16 am
To seek for alternative pleasure, does only lead to alternative suffering. In some cases even to more. That does not match the message at all. *smile*
Title: Re: Veggie Burgers/Meat subsitutes
Post by: Lobster on January 20, 2012, 11:49:27 pm
(http://www.woodlandeggs.co.uk/images/hens-and-trees.jpg)

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I've considered become a vegetarian, off and on, for some years now, but have never committed to it.


You will not eat your way to enlightenment.  :eek:
I once heard a talk by a senior lama in which he described the animals that are displaced in agriculture, the insects and other animals that are killed by ploughing and crop protection. It may involve more suffering and death than eating for example free range woodland eggs (expensive but in the UK they also plant tree environments for the chickens to browse in).
http://www.woodlandeggs.co.uk/ (http://www.woodlandeggs.co.uk/)

Existence is suffering and smug 'for religious reasons' vegetarians are insufferable. 
I am sure there are none here.

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Is this sort of thing common?  I mean an omnivore suddenly thrown into a purely vegetarian environment experiencing such distress?  Does it get better?


Of course. Just adapt slowly. Long term vogons [sic] and veggies have such compromised systems that they are unable to digest the rich nutrition of meat. Eat less meat. Ethically produced organic meat.
At some point in the future we will be growing meat without animals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_vitro_meat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_vitro_meat)
Campaign and ask for that until it becomes available :grouphug:

One last story . . . on another forum I came across a dharma head case who insisted on eating only 3 peanut butter sandwiches per day, so he could concentrate on dispersing dharma to the less enlightened. :brick:
After a year he developed an allergy to peanuts (what a surprise). He had the good grace to ask others who had warned him of the consequences of fad diets to repeat his story as a warning to other omnivores . . . so I am passing it on . . .

Be mindful  :buddha:
Title: Re: Veggie Burgers/Meat subsitutes
Post by: Ron-the-Elder on January 21, 2012, 02:42:33 pm
The future is now!:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystery_meat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystery_meat)
Title: Re: Veggie Burgers/Meat subsitutes
Post by: Lobster on January 22, 2012, 07:52:31 pm
Some of us like to wear orange saris or be vegetarians.
If we confuse life style choices and attachments to them,
how are we to find the middle way?
http://www.urbandharma.org/udharma3/meat.html (http://www.urbandharma.org/udharma3/meat.html)

Eat meat or don't
but don't have a cow man  :D
Title: Re: Veggie Burgers/Meat subsitutes
Post by: dhammaseeker51 on January 23, 2012, 04:35:15 am
Mmmm must try that boiled frog with my rice.
Ant curry sounds good too!  :teehee:
Maybe Ajahn Brahm should write an authentic Thai Monks recipe book...

with Metta
Title: Re: Veggie Burgers/Meat subsitutes
Post by: Dairy Lama on January 23, 2012, 06:14:30 am
Mmmm must try that boiled frog with my rice.

My favourite is worm stew.... :teehee:
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