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Offline Quiet Heart

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Carrying a Stone Around In Your head
« on: March 06, 2010, 02:24:05 pm »

(Thought I 'd give a koan to consider)
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Hogen, a Chinese Zen teacher, lived alone in a small temple in the country. One day four traveling monks appeared and asked if they might make a fire in his yard to warm themselves.
While they were building the fire, Hogen heard them arguing about subjectivity and objectivity. He joined them and said: "There is a very big stone. From a Buddhist viewpoint do you consider it to be inside or outside your mind?"
One of the monks replied: "From the Buddhist viewpoint everything is an objectification of mind,(without any objective reality) so to answer your question, I would say that the stone must be inside my mind."
"Well then",observed Hogen,"Your head must feel very heavy if you spend all your time carrying around a large stone like that in your mind."
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Re: Carrying a Stone Around In Your head
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2010, 02:34:54 pm »
Ah, silly Zen teacher. I have not but one stone in my head, I have many.

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Re: Carrying a Stone Around In Your head
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2010, 11:22:15 pm »
Consciousness does not reside in a head  :namaste:

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Re: Carrying a Stone Around In Your head
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2010, 04:11:15 am »

(Thought I 'd give a koan to consider)
 :-P

Hogen, a Chinese Zen teacher, lived alone in a small temple in the country. One day four traveling monks appeared and asked if they might make a fire in his yard to warm themselves.
While they were building the fire, Hogen heard them arguing about subjectivity and objectivity. He joined them and said: "There is a very big stone. From a Buddhist viewpoint do you consider it to be inside or outside your mind?"
One of the monks replied: "From the Buddhist viewpoint everything is an objectification of mind,(without any objective reality) so to answer your question, I would say that the stone must be inside my mind."
"Well then",observed Hogen,"Your head must feel very heavy if you spend all your time carrying around a large stone like that in your mind."
 :eek:



'What stone?'

Offline PJ Mooney

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Re: Carrying a Stone Around In Your head
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2010, 06:13:09 am »
There must be TWO stones!!!

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Re: Carrying a Stone Around In Your head
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2010, 06:36:46 am »
I realised that when my ego won't allow me to put down the boulder at once, I learned how to reduce the boulder to a small stone...still carrying the darn thing on me and now working on turning it into a pebble....and one day...hey! no more boulder..stone..pebble  :cheesy:

'Big problem turn into small problem...small problem make into no problem..."

Thus Have I Carried...Once... :D   

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Re: Carrying a Stone Around In Your head
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2010, 07:35:12 am »
A new stone is created each time a mind thinks 'stone'. It only exists as an appearance to mind.

There is no objective 'stone'. Such a thing is impossible.  All is subjective.

Even if we think 'no stone' we must create 'stone' as the object our mind wishes to negate.


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Re: Carrying a Stone Around In Your head
« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2010, 01:47:45 pm »
People nowadays believe that consciousness is a function of the brain, and I'm always like, "no, no, no, you have it backwards!", but no-one ever takes me seriously.  Putting the mind somewhere is a very easy mistake. 

"The mind is there.  The mind which is there puts the mind there.  What puts the mind there which puts the mind there?  Head explodes.  Mind unperturbed."

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Re: Carrying a Stone Around In Your head
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2010, 05:28:57 pm »
Way backwards  :namaste:

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Re: Carrying a Stone Around In Your head
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2010, 05:32:57 pm »
...everybody must get stoned...
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Re: Carrying a Stone Around In Your head
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2010, 10:35:29 am »
Thank you One Heart
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Chinese Buddhism is the oldest form of Buddhism in the USA, in 2013 it is 161 years old.  The first Buddhist temples were built in California in 1952 & 1854. Second oldest is Korean in 1900 and Japanese in 1902 both in Hawaii.

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Re: Carrying a Stone Around In Your head
« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2010, 10:33:37 pm »
 :namaste:

Better a stone in the mind than a stone in  the heart ....<3

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Re: Carrying a Stone Around In Your head
« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2010, 03:34:08 pm »
Take the stone and throw it away.
I am he as you are he and we are all together.
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then there is.
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Re: Carrying a Stone Around In Your head
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2010, 01:41:34 pm »
Take the stone and throw it away.
Why throw away something that is not there?

    The body is the bodhi tree,
    The mind is like a clear mirror.
    At all times we must strive to polish it,
    And must not let the dust collect.

- Shen Xiu -

    Bodhi originally has no tree,
    The mirror has no stand.
    Buddha-nature is always clean and pure;
    Where is there room for dust?

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Re: Carrying a Stone Around In Your head
« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2010, 11:42:02 pm »
But there was something there.  he showed him a big stone.  Thence used this as a metaphor.  So if I hit you with the stone, is it there?
I am he as you are he and we are all together.
                                                                           The Beatles

First there is a mountain then there is no mountain,
then there is.
                       Donovan

 


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