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Offline Infinity989

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Re: Longing for the truth
« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2013, 10:19:03 pm »
The truth exists without, in other people, in their spiritual qualities and in their actions.

And the truth exists within, in our devotion to the truth.  The more we go within, the more we discover how deep the well of truth goes.  The average man considers himself an honest man.

A seeker of truth quickly finds out that we are all basically scoundrels who have just cleverly deluded ourselves about finding ways around our devotion to conscience, rather than obeying it.

I personally believe that, in addition to meditations, the search for truth must include direct, overt (non-symbolic) acts of charity.  Go to a soup kitchen and ladle out some soup for a homeless person...that is when academic debate stops.  And there, in that moment, the truth is all consuming.  I believe that as we dedicate our outer lives more and more to the direct work to stopping suffering, directly helping the poor, etc....it is through that work that the truth grows within us, more and more deeply.

Here's a link to the United Way's volunteer connection:

http://www.unitedway.org/take-action/volunteer/

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Re: Longing for the truth
« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2013, 11:21:10 pm »
 :namaste:

You mean to develop generosity, we have to be generous
to be kind, be kind.

So simple, so obvious. Looking forward to my soup. Thanks   :hug:

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Re: Longing for the truth
« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2013, 06:57:09 am »
In other words, everything experienced is pure truth.

But doesn't dependent origination say that ignorance is the cause of suffering? 

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Re: Longing for the truth
« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2013, 12:08:37 am »
In other words, everything experienced is pure truth.

But doesn't dependent origination say that ignorance is the cause of suffering?
Everything is pure truth, seen with ignorance cause suffering. But what causes ignorance is not apparent from suttas.

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« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2013, 02:29:35 am »
In other words, everything experienced is pure truth.

But doesn't dependent origination say that ignorance is the cause of suffering?
Everything is pure truth, seen with ignorance cause suffering. But what causes ignorance is not apparent from suttas.

OK, so we suffer because we perceive things incorrectly? 

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« Reply #20 on: August 20, 2013, 06:35:55 am »
In other words, everything experienced is pure truth.

But doesn't dependent origination say that ignorance is the cause of suffering?
Everything is pure truth, seen with ignorance cause suffering. But what causes ignorance is not apparent from suttas.

OK, so we suffer because we perceive things incorrectly?
Yes.

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Re: Longing for the truth
« Reply #21 on: August 20, 2013, 07:29:20 am »
In other words, everything experienced is pure truth.


But doesn't dependent origination say that ignorance is the cause of suffering?

Everything is pure truth, seen with ignorance cause suffering. But what causes ignorance is not apparent from suttas.


What are the Causes of Ignorance?

First: Ignorance is not seeing and not knowing  the 4 Noble Truths fully!

The near and proximate cause is:

Ignorance comes into being caused by the 5 mental hindrances!

That is right here and now:

- Ignorance grows up caused by desire and lust...
- Ignorance arises caused by aversion and ill-will...
- Ignorance emerges caused by lethargy and laziness...
- Ignorance appears caused by restlessness and regret...
- Ignorance comes into being caused by doubt and uncertainty...

Read more here >>>
http://what-buddha-said.net/drops/II/Cause_of_Ignorance.htm

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« Reply #22 on: August 20, 2013, 09:45:12 am »
Great...
And the five mental hindrances are caused by?
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Ignorance. There is a vicious circle and that's why I said it is not apparent from suttas.

Oh... here it is in Avijja Sutta:
"Lord, is there any one thing with whose abandoning in a monk ignorance is abandoned and clear knowing arises?"

"Yes monk, there is one thing with whose abandoning in a monk ignorance is abandoned and clear knowing arises."

"What is that one thing?"

"Ignorance, monk, is the one thing with whose abandoning in a monk ignorance is abandoned and clear knowing arises."
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Re: Longing for the truth
« Reply #23 on: August 20, 2013, 09:54:47 am »
Causes and Cessation of Mental Hindrances
http://mahamakuta.inet.co.th/english/b-way(10).html

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Re: Longing for the truth
« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2013, 10:01:27 am »
Great...
And what is the cause of the cause? Lets take sensual desire. It is caused by fixing a meaning of something as beautifulÂ’, which is caused by?

 


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