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Offline Quiet Heart

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Two Zen Stories
« on: December 12, 2009, 06:35:08 pm »
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The Tubmaker's Story
(Two Zen stories I like)

It was the tradition for a Zen master to have a private interview with a student to measure the progress of the student. This interview was usually held in private with no interupptions.

A Zen master was holding such an interview. A Tubmaker (a maker of tubs as for baths) arrived and asked to see the master. Now this Tubmaker was supposedly nearly illiterate...he drank Tea and asked silly questions of the master each time he met the master. So the master asked that the Tubmaker wait outside until his interview with his student was completed.

When the Tubmaster heard this he became upset. "The local people say this master is like a living Buddha. If that is so", he asked, "then why does he make me wait? Even the stone Buddha idols outside, the kind we burn incense before, they never make anyone wait. All who come to burn incense before them are equally welcome. So, since that is true, why do I have to wait to see the living Buddha himself?"

When he heard what the Tubmaker had said the master excused hemself from the interview with his student. With that answer he had to go outside and talk to the Tubmaster.
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The Tea Seller's Story
(The old lady and the Monk)


A Monk spent many years studying the sutras. In particular he studied a sutra that said nothing was true, but that everything was a construction of mind, without any true validity.

He studied that sutra for many years, and wrote a long commentary on it.

The Monks in the south do not understand this sutra, he thought. I will carry my commentary to them, and show them how wrong their interpetation is.

So he loaded his heavy commentary on the sutra into a pack which he carried on his back, and left for the monestry to the south...so he could show them his commentary on the sutra...and convince them of their error in it's interpretation.

After a long juorney he came within sight of the monestry that was his goal. Just outside the gate he saw an old woman selling cups of Tea and sweet rice cakes. He thought that since he had walked a long way on his journey, he would stop and have a cup of Tea and some rice cakes.

When he sat down, and odrered his Tea and cakes, the old woman brought him his tea. "Where are you going", she asked, "and carrying such a heavy pack?"

"Well", said the Monk,"I am going to that monestry with a written commentary on a sutra. I will show them that they are mistaken in the interpretation of the sutra."

"I have read the sutra of which you speak", said the old woman. "In that sutra it says that niether the original mind nor the human mind are to be believed.... since both are but constructs of one's experience...and therefore have no true self existance.", she said.

"That is correct", said the monk, "but that is not all to be said regarding this sutra."

"Well that may be", said the old woman."But what I want to know is this; if neither your original mind, or your worldly human mind are to be trusted, both being constructions of your experience in this world, then with which mind do you intend to pay for this tea and cakes?"

And when the Monk heard the old woman say that, he understood that all his work and study of the sutra had been usless....and that the old woman had bested him in her understanding.

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Re: Two Zen Stories
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2009, 01:18:36 pm »
Thank you for sharing your stories. One seems to be about simple manners being of importance, but i am sure there is more to it. The other is about sutras that I too have wondered about. All this talk about nothing really exists!? I understand that our minds construct much of our reality, or what seems to be real but there is the simple truth that what is IS. I just want to see it as clearly as I can. I know there is more to it but that's what I keep coming back to. I guess imagining that everything is a construction of the mind is good exercise for clearing the mind.

Have you read the 10 stage story about the boy and his ox?

Tea and rice cakes.

Metta,
Kindergarden Patrick

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Re: Two Zen Stories
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2009, 05:14:48 pm »
This is one of my favorites, The Cucumber Sage http://www.abuddhistlibrary.com/Buddhism/C%20-%20Zen/Stories/The%20Cucumber%20Sage/The%20Cucumber%20Sage.htm

excerpt "I ask that you now draw your attention to the young man to whom this note is attached. As he stands before you, no doubt smiling stupidly as he stuffs himself with pickled cucumbers, you may be wondering if he is as complete a fool as he appears, and if so, what prompted me to send him to you. In answer to the first question, I assure you that Wu-Ming's foolishness is far more complete than mere appearance would lead you to believe. As for the second question, I can only say that despite so benumbed a condition, or perhaps because of it, still more likely, despite of and because of it, Wu-Ming seems to unwittingly and accidentally serve the function of a great Bodhisattva. Perhaps he can be of service to you. "

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Re: Two Zen Stories
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2009, 09:50:10 pm »
I enjoyed the story, mOrlOck. Have a banana.

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Re: Two Zen Stories
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2009, 07:37:03 am »
A young aspirant heard of a very wise master that lived on the side of a mountain and resolved to be his disciple.  He made a long and hard journey just to get to the foot of the mountain and then spent several arduous days making the climb to the small hut where the teacher lived.  Upon reaching the hut he called out.  Hearing no answer he sat outside to wait for an introduction.  He waited many hours, during which he could here movement and the clatter of dishes at intervals.  He was very hungry after his journey and finally decided to enter the hut.  Upon doing so, he found the old gentleman sipping tea in the nude.

The old man looked up from his tea and said, "I consider the entire universe to be my home, and this house is merely raiment.  So I must ask, why have you barged into my pants."

That is more of a Zen joke than a Zen story.  Sorry.

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Re: Two Zen Stories
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2009, 01:03:12 pm »
I enjoyed the story, mOrlOck. Have a banana.


Is it a painted banana ?  :namaste:

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Re: Two Zen Stories
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2009, 06:54:00 pm »
For Kindergarden Patrick

Have you read the 10 stage story about the boy and his ox?

If your refering to the "10 Bulls"....a series of tales about chasing the Bull; then yes, I have it in a paperback book with some copies of Japanese woodprints (a modern copy of an old woodprint illustrations) illistrating the stories.
Chasing and finding the Bull is a metaphor for the searchfor understanding and elightenment...seeking for truth through the forest of the world..... in the same way as the Bull herder seeks to find the lost Bull.

Though I'm not supposed to "explain" the two stories...the reader has to see the point and understand them for his/her self for them to be effective....Let me say:

In the story of the Tubmaker...he is supposed to be nearly illiterate and unlearned. But his question about the stone Buddha idols to the Zen master cuts through all the formality and structure the Zen master expected. That is why the Zen master has to go outside to speak to the Tubmaster...because his question cuts through all the pretense of the Zen master.
In the story of the Old Women and the Rice Cakes and Tea....she was just a simple seller of Cakes and Tea. The Monk spent many years studying and refining his comments on that Sutra he studied. Like the Tubmaster's question, the Old Woman's question cut right through the Monk's understanding...and revealed the Old Women's true undertanding of the Sutra...even though she was only a simple person, a seller of Tea and Rice Cakes.
So both the stories express a common "point", don't they?


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Re: Two Zen Stories
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2012, 04:43:54 am »
The Cucumber Sage is wonderful  :D
This is one of my favourite stories:

There's this wonderful story about the first meeting between Kalu Rinpoche and Zen master Seung Sahn:
The two monks entered with swirling robes - maroon and yellow for the Tibetan, austere gray and black for the Korean - and were followed by retinues of younger monks and translators with shaven heads ...

The Tibetan lama sat very still, fingering a wooden rosary (mala) with one hand while murmuring, 'Om mani padme hung,' continuously under his breath. The Zen master, who was already gaining renown for his method of hurling questions at his students until they were forced to admit their ignorance and then bellowing, 'Keep that don't know mind!' at them, reached deep inside his robes and drew out an orange.

'What is this?' he demanded of the lama. 'What is this?'

This was a typical opening question, and we could feel him ready to pounce on whatever response he was given.

The Tibetan sat quietly fingering his mala and made no move to respond.

'What is this?' the Zen master insisted, holding the orange up to the Tibetan's nose.

Kalu Rinpoche bent very slowly to the Tibetan monk next to him who was serving as the translator, and they whispered back and forth for several minutes. Finally the translator addressed the room:

'Rinpoche says, What is the matter with him? Don't they have oranges where he comes from?'

Doing nothing
A Buddhist phones the monastery and asks the monk “Can you come to do a blessing for my new house?”
The monk replies “Sorry, I’m busy.”
“What are you doing? Can I help?”
“I’m doing nothing”, replied the monk, “Doing nothing is a monk’s core business and you can’t help me with that.”
So the next day the Buddhist phones again, “Can you please come to my house for a blessing?”
“Sorry,” said the monk, “I’m busy.”
“What are you doing?”
“I’m doing nothing,” replied the monk.
“But that was what you were doing yesterday!”, said the Buddhist.
“Correct”, replied the monk, “I’m not finished yet!"

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Re: Two Zen Stories
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2012, 06:46:35 am »
Nice stories:)

I think you've beaten Hanzze's record in digging up old threads! ;)

 


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