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why zen
« on: June 30, 2016, 04:40:36 pm »
Since having kids 8 years ago I have not go to any sangha.  I went to FPMT but I just followed the basics for about 2 years.  There is a Zen center by the house I just moved to and was wondering. Why some choose Zen.

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Re: why zen
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2016, 02:35:42 am »
Always been interested in Zen, although I finally chose the Triratna Order since that was the nearest center to me, and I liked the 'Western' aspects of their take on the Dharma. I think many are attracted to the 'sudden' part of Zen, that enlightenment will come in a sudden flash. It does, but not before years of hard work! Over the years I've  come to think of Buddhism as training the wild mind, in much the same way as training a wild horse. You can either 'break' the horse in, or you can 'gentle' it in. Both work, but in different ways. For me, many aspects of Zen are the 'break it in' school of training. Anyone else think that?

My only concern is with the Zen practice of sitting in a particular position for hour on end when meditating. My legs just aren't up to it, and I get concerned about circulation. Anyone else find that?
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Re: why zen
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2016, 10:13:00 am »
My only concern is with the Zen practice of sitting in a particular position for hour on end when meditating. My legs just aren't up to it, and I get concerned about circulation. Anyone else find that?

Yes, they can be a bit anally retentive when it comes to posture.  Personally I think it's mostly cultural baggage, there is no really need to do yogic contortions or suffer pain.  IMO using a stool or chair is fine, you can also meditate lying down.
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Re: why zen
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2018, 08:04:57 am »
My only concern is with the Zen practice of sitting in a particular position for hour on end when meditating. My legs just aren't up to it, and I get concerned about circulation. Anyone else find that?

My experience is that this is mainly a problem from residual tension. Really relax, and the knees in particular get better circulation. I find my hands tense when my mind drifts towards thinking about doing things, and my calf muscles tense when I think about going places. Relaxing fully requires working on the residual impulses and habits. Meditation is not just a mental experience, but for the whole body.

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Re: why zen
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2018, 05:57:39 pm »
My only concern is with the Zen practice of sitting in a particular position for hour on end when meditating. My legs just aren't up to it, and I get concerned about circulation. Anyone else find that?

My experience is that this is mainly a problem from residual tension. Really relax, and the knees in particular get better circulation. I find my hands tense when my mind drifts towards thinking about doing things, and my calf muscles tense when I think about going places. Relaxing fully requires working on the residual impulses and habits. Meditation is not just a mental experience, but for the whole body.

Some folks can't sit on a cushion for extended perioids.  I can't.  I can sit fo an hour on a zafu or gomden but after that I take a chair.  I fought with that for years. 

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Re: why zen
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2018, 10:27:21 pm »
My butt parts go numb... All of them...   :lmfao:

I sit in a chair, I meditate often, and I tried cushions eventually I had enough ... And yeah numbness, starting at the parts on the cushion and eventually ending at my feet... Empty space alright I was a floating torso and the feeling of everything waking oh man... Pins and needles... In places... Not good.

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Re: why zen
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2018, 03:08:45 am »
A nice comfy chair is best.   :teehee:
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Re: why zen
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2018, 07:05:03 am »
A nice comfy chair is best.   :teehee:

Not.... the comfy chair!
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Re: why zen
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2018, 02:41:35 am »
Zen is one of the most perfect religions in existence..

Take this koan with you..

Zen is everything,
Everything is Zen,
But how could that be?
Freedom reigns over everything!

 


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