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Zen Master Wu Bong
« on: November 08, 2014, 03:36:50 pm »
Question: How can one be Buddha and not be Buddha?
Zen Master Wu Bong: What is Buddha?
Question: I have no idea.
Zen Master Wu Bong: That’s correct. That’s Buddha.

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« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2014, 04:08:14 pm »
Hi Fabio. It's funny that you cited this --- it's one of the dharma talks by Wu Bong that I'm familiar with, actually cited it in one of my own dharma talks a while back. What I found refreshing was that he put the correct spin on the fact that here's nothing wrong with saying "I don't know" --- sadly enough there's a fear among practitioners and teachers when it comes to those three simple words:

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BECOME AN EXPERT... OR BECOME A BUDDHA
 
Question: Sometimes I feel complete, and everything is clear, but then at other times I lose that, and no longer understand. What can you say about this?

Zen Master Wu Bong: Being complete is not dependant on your feeling. Everyone is complete, you are all Buddha. Does that help your life? You have everything! I don’t have anything that you don’t have. Buddha doesn’t have anything you don’t have. Does hearing that help your life? No? So any understanding, even the most wonderful understanding, cannot help you. You are already complete, but until you realize that for yourself, until you become intimate with that, until you digest that understanding so that it becomes yours, it has no power to help you.

Maybe sometimes it will make a nice feeling: "I am already complete. I am Buddha. Ahhh . . . " But feelings change, so you will not remember that you are complete. Understanding that and attaining that are very different. So practicing is necessary.

Q: How can one be Buddha and not be Buddha?

ZMWB: I ask you, what is Buddha?

Q: I have no idea.

ZMWB: That’s correct. That’s Buddha.

Q: But what about people who don’t know that they don’t know?

ZMWB: Those people are the experts. So you have a choice in this life; you can become an expert, or you can not know, and become Buddha. Again this brings us to practicing. No matter what anybody says and no matter how well anything can be explained; it is finally all up to you. The wonderful thing about Buddha’s teaching is that Buddha taught us not to accept something just because a wise person or an expert said it. Don’t accept something because a holy book says that it’s true, or because of tradition. You must find the truth for yourself. Everyone has that capacity. You came to a dharma talk, but no matter how well things are explained and how appealing it may be to you, that alone has no power to change your life. There is a vast gulf between understanding what is being said and actually being able to do it. That’s why having a big question is very important.

In Buddhism we talk about bodhicitta. Bodhicitta is propensity toward bodhi or enlightenment. Everybody has that. That question is your bodhicitta. That is the power that brought you here. Bodhicitta is called the seed of enlightenment by some Buddhist scholars, so your seed has already sprouted. Next, you must cultivate it; that cultivation we call practicing. If you take care of this question, then it can grow up, grow up, grow up. Then one day, this flower can bloom. Then you can say, (slapping his knee) "Ah ha." This "Ah ha" is not the Buddha’s, is not Zen Master Seung Sahn’s, is not Zen Master Wu Bong’s, it is all yours. So everybody must find that, because this world needs you.



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« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2014, 06:07:13 pm »
Perhaps I am dividing the mote on the back of a fly, but rather than say "become Buddha", would it be anymore correct to say "become aware of Buddha"?
Not sure if Zen Master Wu Bong is native English speaker or if text is translated. Oftentimes translations alter what the speaker really meant to say.

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« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2014, 06:08:46 pm »
Great, nice to hear, this give me much. I will continue to post, I have my job, hoping that this can be a constructive matter. Greetings from Berlin, in the Dharma. 

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« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2014, 10:14:20 pm »
Perhaps I am dividing the mote on the back of a fly, but rather than say "become Buddha", would it be anymore correct to say "become aware of Buddha"?
Not sure if Zen Master Wu Bong is native English speaker or if text is translated. Oftentimes translations alter what the speaker really meant to say.


Hi Silentplace.

He was born in Poland, so he certainly has that accent, but he also spoke English --- for example,  I've seen several videos where he's actually speaking English as the primary language of choice, where his words are then translated, such as in this video:



As for whether it should be one or other, to "become Buddha" or to "become aware of Buddha"... unless I'm mistaken, he always seems to use the former, at least this appears to be the normal turn of phrase --- in other words, it would appear that his emphasis was not on becoming aware of Buddha, but as he stated, becoming aware that "Everyone is complete, you are all Buddha."

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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2014, 06:05:45 am »
Zen Master Wu Bong: "The passions that we must extinguish are those born out of our anger, desire, and ignorance, but to vow to extinguish all passions, or to save all sentient beings, is in itself a kind of passion. The difference is that of direction. The motivation behind such passion is not for “me,” but for “others.” The name we give to such passion is Great Love, Great Compassion, and Great Bodhisattva Way."

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« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2014, 05:44:24 am »
Zen Master Wu Bong: "If one saids: “This enlightenment business sounds good; I want enlightenment,” that is desire mind. This mind doesn’t even understand enlightenment, so why does it want it? But, if one says, “I don’t understand my true self; what am I?”, then this question takes away desire mind. So, if you cultivate desire, then desire will grow. If you cultivate great question, then desire disappears.

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« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2014, 01:36:08 pm »
Muchak JDPSN remembers Zen Master Wu Bong




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« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2014, 06:17:12 am »
Zen Master Wu Bong: This don’t know cuts off all thinking. Cuts off all thinking means before thinking. If you keep your mind before thinking then you don’t make, then also there’s nothing to attach to, nothing to check, then of course this desire will not arise, so nothing to want. The name for that is vow. You decide: make a vow. If this vow is deep and strong, then naturally everything in your life will start to support this vow. you make a strong vow, then no matter how crazy your life is, everything will go with that, in that direction. So don’t ask me what is important. This is your job. And if somebody does not know, that is no problem. Then that is your job to find out.

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« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2014, 05:37:18 am »
Zen Master Wu Bong: Most people do not mind success, but are adverse to failure. Yet it is success which often becomes enfettering, and it is the suffering associated with failure that gives us energy for practice and raises the deep questions that send us on the spiritual quest.

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« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2014, 04:35:59 am »
Zen Master Wu Bong: Being complete is not dependent on your feeling. Everyone is complete, you are all Buddha. Does that help your life? You have everything! I don’t have anything that you don’t have. Buddha doesn’t have anything you don’t have. Does hearing that help your life?

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« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2014, 05:15:21 am »
Hi Fabio,
Does Zen have to be based on personal experience ?

Question: what some Zen master (oxymoron) says or doesn't say; will it be relevant to your life?

From my own personal experience this is what Zen means to me:

First Free your mind!
From what?

Emotional Subconscious control.

...Hai!

Zen Masters? ....what?.....How...? .....Who?
« Last Edit: November 14, 2014, 05:19:01 am by Hippypete »

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« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2014, 06:21:34 am »
@Hippypete: Not so important what a Zen Master is saying, correct. Personal experience, yes, Hai! I would like to realize this project not just bringing empty words, but rather looking at and remembering a human being who was involved in a very personal (and at the same time common) spiritual research. Quotes in this case are just a way to point to the moon, even if just meaning the finger. Greetings from Berlin!

 


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